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's not here and I'm using airpods what's

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y'all gonna do about it

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I'm your host DJ along with my

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illustrious co-host because we're gonna

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tell you about who's playing hooky

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tonight we're gonna get into that but

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first let me welcome in one of the oh

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geez of this show a researcher your

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researcher du jour she's about as dope

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as can be she is dead at a study of

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uap's the host of steps data dojo

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well almost here

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you myself and Leah after this show

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we're gonna get into it but before I do

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that the aforementioned the brilliant

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just got off the slopes so I know she's

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feeling good she's probably trying to

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warm up she's the new addition put your

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hands together for Leah

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hey y'all thank you as always for having

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me happy Saturday

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yeah she's a new addition baby and now

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want and bring on our special guest this

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evening you know we like to do these Cab

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community episodes you don't have to be

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a content creator you don't have to be

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somebody famous you don't have to be

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somebody with all kinds of Gravitas

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although let me tell you something man

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this gentleman right here resonates with

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a lot of people in the UFO Community

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because he radiates positivity and life

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okay he is uh somebody whom I met not

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long before the conference that we went

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to in New York City put on by James

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iandoli and JC King uh this brother

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right here is originally from Illinois

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grew up in California Illinois and

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Virginia he is a lifelong UFO Enthusiast

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six years active duty in the USAF so

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that y'all know that means he's my

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brother on in a whole nother level other

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than just that we love the phenomena

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um he was active in Japan Vegas he is a

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family man a carpenter uh oh Mark Neil

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Boyle and him need to talk uh he's a

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music he's in a music production he

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currently Works in corporate sales and

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he graduated from Old Dominion

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University Norfolk Virginia so party

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hurry

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hey Curry

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it's a good job

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thank you DJ damn look look what I

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man smart people man

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I'm a little intimidated anytime I see

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Leia on the on the line she's she's

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well I'm like I'm like the other dumps

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this year on cab

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I have fabulous things to say about them

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as well yeah she's a fellow uh

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marylander as well so

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that's strike one Corey don't try to get

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out of that all right you got two more

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all right no I'm all kidding aside I'll

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bring the the volume and temperature

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down it is an honor to have you we do

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like to bring people on who just have

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these really interesting perspectives uh

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on the phenomenon and I've I've

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basically marketed this as in this 60

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Minute block right here uh Corey will

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explain to you everything that UFOs and

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the phenomenon are about and you'll

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leave with just Oodles of knowledge that

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you never had you'll you'll have no

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questions left

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I I feel sorry for anyone that believes

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until disclosure was happening

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not leading into this man

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disclosure right here this is it by the

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way before we go any further I just want

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to let people know uh money Nathan uh

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the executive producer and technical

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director of this joint and

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co-conspirator in the creation of

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calling all beings is with UFO thinker

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don't know what they're talking about

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but I'm kind of excited about that so we

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have three cabbies here and two over

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there that's what's going down today so

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Nathan uh Frank love you guys and uh

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we'll see you soon uh now let's get to

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it Mr Corey man you know when I get on

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the phone with you man it's like fire

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man because you can you just like start

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coming up with things man and you start

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talking about these really Grand things

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it's just amazing nature of the universe

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type things is there something that is

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tickling let's see when your ball this

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is easier because you can feel it more

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then it's tickling your brain right now

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uh you know there usually is it's like a

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some kind of an uh an Affliction that I

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have and I just can't put it down just

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can't put it down it's always been there

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I love it uh and you know what actually

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I want to start with Deb because Deb had

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an idea Deb wanted to get into you and

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find out your history right Deb so let

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me let me uh let me pass it over to Deb

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so she can get into it yeah so um

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obviously when we met we gravitated

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towards each other I don't know like we

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just instantly were like we know each

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other somehow like we're best friends I

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don't know what it is

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um there's like an automatic thing so

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but we never got into your story and

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your history and I know it's sort of

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awkward to say let's do it right now on

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so where uh

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let's see where to start so I've been in

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uh really obsessed with the UFO

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phenomena my entire life

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um as long as I can remember and as long

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as I could read uh going back to

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kindergarten my father was in the Navy I

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lived in the Bay Area I was five years

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old and for some odd reason they wanted

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to put me from kindergarten and to the

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first grade when I was in the first

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grade I met this lady who acted as a

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mentor for me and a tutor her name was

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Miss Pilar and she uh I guess was an

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experiencer so at five years old I had a

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woman at Authority and a position of

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authority just kind of confirmed for me

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that they were real so

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um so throughout my life it wasn't

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anything that I ever questioned I always

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took it for granted that there was

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something being held back from us

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um so she she set me off and uh and as a

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kid I basically tried to watch read and

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listen to anything I could that had

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anything to do with UFOs and not only

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UFOs big foot uh ndes uh you know what

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um and then after you get in you get

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into that then you start getting into uh

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philosophy that you get into religion

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and then you get into gnosticism and you

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so I'm kind of thankful for the fond

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phenomena because it's kind of afforded

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me this education in all of these you

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you know Corey when you talk about

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gnosticism I'm thinking of nitrous oxide

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you know you use when you want to make

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your car go faster in concert with like

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so uh and Leia probably has a lot on

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this Leah uh so so

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the Old Testament as the the demiurge so

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the the the god that they were talking

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to in the garden uh was actually an

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oppressor and the snake was there to

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liberate them if you will to give them

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uh the fruit so they could be like Gods

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so the gnostics have a really different

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um on Christian theology which I find

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really interesting

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I'll tell you what man this brother is

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what I call learned Leia Prime man go

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yes it was I first of all I'm totally on

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team gnosticism and so many respects so

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I'm delighted to hear that you were

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informed by this

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um you know I'm it which actually leads

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me to my next question I'm always really

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fascinated by the thinkers and books and

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media and philosophies that guide people

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to where they are so Corey can you tell

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us a little bit about what thinkers or

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my life one of my main interests was

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always motivational speaking if you had

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a motivational speaker uh and that's

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a kid I realized how people could walk

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out of a church have a completely

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different you know perspective on what

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life was you know and and who they were

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um a lot of the earlier uh motivational

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speakers like Zig Ziglar uh Brian Tracy

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uh uh Les Brown uh Napoleon Hill so they

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really informed me on uh I guess you can

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motivational speaking uh you know

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spirituality and religion

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um and then the phenomenon so uh but I

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of people that informed me uh

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have a actually had a had a list here uh

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sorry uh Stanton Friedman okay Stan

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Friedman and I think most of us will

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remember we were kids uh Stan Freeman

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was everywhere I was on non-solved

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Mysteries History Channel every

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documentary uh so I would say Stanton

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Grant Cameron uh the lorenzins uh and a

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the Ivan T Sanderson so a lot of the

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early ufologists who kind of helped to

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launch ufology in the 60s and the 70s

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early contact team movement wonderful

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I'll pass along the mic in a second but

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I'm so delighted that volume Five of

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Forbidden Science is out now by Jacques

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valet I think it just got announced like

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today or the other day wow yeah what's

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up Jack

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just kidding the other shot yeah you're

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jock with he's like the other Jacques

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that to be clear that is the real

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Jacques valet and that's where the name

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comes from the name is derived from

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obviously Jacque Valley and John Keel

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and John Keel is not as well known as

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valet uh he was a New Yorker he was I

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think he was in the air force of the

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army served in the Korean War uh he was

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so he was a correspondent he worked for

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um he actually was engaged in like

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psychological warfare during the war and

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he was a brilliant writer and he was a

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very Hands-On researcher early on and

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his books are phenomenal for people that

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haven't you know read John keel's work

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you know he's I think foundational kind

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of understanding uh what the phenomenal

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mayor would not be

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I need to do that because a lot of My

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Philosophy have been informed by works

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Pippi Longstocking would be one of

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Clifford the Big Red Dog I think was

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another seminal work in my life so I'm

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glad to hear you know uh what informed

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yours

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Cat in the Hat too very cat you know

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what that one was a little tough for me

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to to digest so I probably need to need

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a reread on that uh but thank you

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because I should add that to my

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collection of of these works but

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but anyway uh shout out to Julian the

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chatter jewels of the wood from Alabama

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she's a remote viewer she is is uh

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actually she's from Indiana but she

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lives in Alabama okay uh

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yeah

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girl here in Alabama so she is running

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the chat for us thank you Jules

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um I wanted to ask you Corey since you

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mentioned gnosticism and religion and

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I'm gonna be honest with you I don't

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know if if Leah and Debs fall in this

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category as well but

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when Dr sulka talks about and she

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conjoins the notion of God and religion

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into ufology and not that I doubt her

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assertion in the least I don't

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but as I because I I know that she has

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made a connection I'm trying to

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understand that connection can you tell

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me how you understand that connection or

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is that even something that you see that

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and feel that

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yeah I do

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um thank you that's a good question I'm

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a big fan of

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um a dinosaur's work I've quoted

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American Cosmic a ton she's really

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phenomenal and I try to follow all of

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her podcasts uh I remember being I

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remember being a kid and I think I was

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12 years old when uh was it the Heaven's

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date Heaven's Gates it was a UFO cup and

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I think in 1996 or 97 that they were

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convinced there was a uh Haley's Bob

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Comet was was coming through and uh

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according to the cult there was a UFO

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that was going to pick them up

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um and take them off before destruction

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and I remember as a kid thinking like oh

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my gosh I need to find these people I

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need to get on this UFO man it's over

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you know but to answer the question I

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realized then that there was a a

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correlation between religious philosophy

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and you know researching UFOs and I've

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seen that the uh the same types of

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motivators and belief systems were

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involved

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um and there's a lot of history uh about

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that uh

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if you look at uh there are a lot of

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religious UFO Cults there's one that I

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think started out of I think was France

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in the 70s uh called realism or oh yeah

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raelianism realism and a very similar

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contact story uh and then when you look

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at the literature if you look at UFO

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literature the the encounters that

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people have with these entities

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Bears such a strong resemblance uh to

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what you'll read and you know ancient

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literature you know religious you know

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scripture uh people seeing Angels you

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know it wasn't always a you know a

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joyous occasion to see an Angel

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sometimes you know people were terrified

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and uh they didn't look like us

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so I I have uh probably liked that

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episode I've come to believe that this

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is all one thing that what we were

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dealing with in scripture the phenomenon

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that it's it's an interesting thought

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I've also heard people I don't know if

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it was Leah who said this but I've heard

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people say that they think that this

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could be in in an emerging religion I I

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the reason I'm unsure about that now I'm

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going to pass it to you Deb said don't

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don't worry about that but the reason

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that I don't think it will is just from

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a standpoint that it requires a church

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and there's a lot of constructs and

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rules

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uh that it seems like more than just

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like having an online you know if UFO

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Twitter I don't know is that a religion

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that people have sort of signed up for

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Leah is that a religion

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I mean I'm not sure I'd call UFO Twitter

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religion but I may call it a cult

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yeah so I mean I think um like DJ I'm

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just gonna very briefly push back on

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this because it feels like this idea of

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religion existing is a hierarchical

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institution is really just an artifact

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of like western style thinking

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um you know like like we have the pope

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or we have

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um you know uh like leaders of like the

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American Baptists or um things like that

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but um I I think this idea of it as a

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religion is

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founded in this notion that ufology and

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the phenomenon helps us sort of

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reconcile the subjective personal

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experience with was at least nominally

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considered an objective shared kind of

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consensus based reality and it also

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provides like Frameworks for like sense

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making like to help understand and sort

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of

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um navigate the the strange and unusual

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and difficult things that happen to

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people

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um and I also think that there's a huge

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overlap between experience or phenomena

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and what's typically characterized as

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spiritual emergence So Divine Awakenings

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or Transcendence either spontaneous or

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deliberately induced I think

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historically very closely align

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themselves with what in modernity we

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identify as like the phenomenon or just

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you know contact or experience or

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experiences

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you know I'll come back around on it but

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I don't want to take up Deb's time

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um so please go ahead comment on that

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too yes ma'am I just want to point out

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like when external things happen to

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humanity we do tend to make religions

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out of them so I want to say there is an

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external thing happening to some people

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they would argue it's an internal thing

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also like was mentioned by Leah but that

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there is an external thing happening in

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Humanity's ability to grasp it ends up

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sometimes being a religion and there are

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other examples of religions that are

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based off of UFO encounters I believe

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the Nation of Islam is one

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um one would argue even

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uh Sky God encounters you know so pretty

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much all religions for that right so

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um I would say that doesn't exclude that

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from being something else is happening

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the same thing has happened with the Sun

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the moon you know even crops and being

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grown you know so like so your position

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is

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um it could potentially become a

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religion but that doesn't it's like a

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secondary effect

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okay and did you did you have something

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else you wanted to add Corey are we

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gonna just are we gonna go through the

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no no I agree with the with with with

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Leia and uh Deb said you know and I was

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just thinking that I like to I kind of

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see the phenomena as a mechanism for us

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uh to evolve our Consciousness and you

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know it could be that uh religion at

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that time was that mechanism I also

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mentioned cargo coats cargo Colts are

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like a modern example of you know I

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don't want to go through you know what

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they are but people can Google this but

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they're a modern example of what happens

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when you show up to a group of human

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beings and you show them something

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that's outside of their reality uh we

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have this inherent kind of needed scenes

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to create belief systems to understand

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our reality so if you throw in that UFO

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and let's say we didn't have our you

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know three major religions what else

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would we have to try to frame what might

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be going on outside of you know our

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perception

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um

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so yeah I'll just add that there they

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can certainly help us frame the

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discussion those religious leaders the

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only part I was going to uh in response

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to what Leah said is well Western

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religion may be more hierarchical if you

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go to Eastern religion I mean if you go

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to Kyoto if you go to Thailand if you go

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in the Middle East you know you go to

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Old Constantinople

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et cetera there are religious symbols

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everywhere even if it's a little bit

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less hierarchical it's no less uh

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symbolic so there still is a

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constructive even a a physical construct

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even if it's um

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you know less than some of the the

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Western religions and you know we won't

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name them for obvious reasons but but I

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understand what you mean from that

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standpoint

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um so I'm not sure that it's that idea

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but I want to pose this question that

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Shannon desalvo has here this is really

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good and I have you guys attacked that I

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guess we should start with uh hey we

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could start with Corey and then we can

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go to uh I guess Leah on this one after

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you go for it please

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uh so I think we uh that we have to

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determine the difference between a

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um that's

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yeah that is kind of slippery

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uh a lot of Colts would argue that they

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are a religion and a lot of uh religions

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we would argue are probably Cults

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um how would you take that uh yeah

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I mean what spring to mind was when

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man's religion is another man's cult you

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know

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make new pretense of having a background

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in religious studies but um to me

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intuitively what it feels like is that

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the occult has an extremely inflexible

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kind of dogmatic and almost fundamental

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expectation of its adherence to follow

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kind of all of the um all of the rules

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and expectations of the group

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um and I guess you could say at some end

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of the like Spectrum any kind of

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religious Orthodoxy May

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kind of like be categorized as that

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um

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but I also think their religion instead

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offers a bit more kind of flexibility or

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spaciousness when it comes to individual

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practice even at like its most

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observant levels like you still have

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some play in how you interpret and act

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within the framework of that religion

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I was going to say Leah in our religion

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I mean the hasidics I think I think

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there could be an argument made there

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right oh yeah that's what I was thinking

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of when I said that um is like I mean

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like you have crosses who follow like

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all 613 Commandments or whatever to the

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T with zero flexibility and that I mean

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as a Jew I feel comfortable saying that

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feels very culty to me but

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um also understand that this is one of

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the major kind of extant sects within

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modern Judaism as well

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I just want to say one thing now just

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for everybody out there including the

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panel there is a Netflix movie and I'm

550
00:24:12,289 --> 00:24:10,740
I'm remiss I don't remember the name of

551
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,299
it but it's about a one it's a true

552
00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:14,880
story about a woman who escapes a

553
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:18,299
Hasidic sect in Brooklyn obviously and

554
00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:20,460
escapes to Germany to where she has a

555
00:24:24,590 --> 00:24:22,860
relative to escape her husband in her

556
00:24:26,990 --> 00:24:24,600
marriage I think it was going to be

557
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:27,000
before the birth of children she's like

558
00:24:30,529 --> 00:24:28,320
I can't I don't want to have children

559
00:24:33,409 --> 00:24:30,539
with this guy I can't stay in this life

560
00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:33,419
anymore and she escapes to a Jewish

561
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:35,940
neighborhood in Germany uh and and she

562
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:38,220
has a relative there and it is a awesome

563
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:40,740
movie it's true story so if those of you

564
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:43,500
go on Netflix and find that uh the the

565
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:46,140
character is extremely compelling who

566
00:24:51,529 --> 00:24:48,900
plays the young uh the young lady wow

567
00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:51,539
anyway I'm sorry Debs yeah I was just

568
00:24:56,029 --> 00:24:53,940
going to say that I've definitely looked

569
00:24:57,890 --> 00:24:56,039
at Colts watched documentaries things

570
00:25:01,310 --> 00:24:57,900
like that and I find that they have

571
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:01,320
almost a formula like there's a really

572
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:03,720
charismatic cult leader that no one's

573
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:06,360
allowed to question money has to be

574
00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:08,760
provided people want to go at different

575
00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:11,880
levels of involvement like they have

576
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:14,340
stages of progression that they usually

577
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:17,760
have to pay for there's isolation from

578
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:19,740
the family it's it's almost like a

579
00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:22,380
formula and it's like I I see those

580
00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:24,900
patterns when I look at different Cults

581
00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:26,700
and I'm like well you know I think it's

582
00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:29,580
actually not that hard to make one like

583
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:31,500
you just need I need that really

584
00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:34,860
charismatic leader to start Corey so if

585
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:37,140
you're not busy next week I want you to

586
00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:38,400
think about this week you know you can

587
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,020
come up I think you could be the leader

588
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,440
you have awesome hair but to put Jewels

589
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:45,840
are our chat moderator jewels of the

590
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,360
wood it says here technically Cults

591
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:50,159
follow a man or woman that claims

592
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,640
Divinity I believe so Jules and Jewel by

593
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:55,200
the way I just want to say Jules also

594
00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:58,020
involved in library science just like

595
00:26:03,710 --> 00:26:00,600
um Leah so yeah

596
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,720
now you know I was reading uh Julie's

597
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:06,240
quote and it uh David koresh came to

598
00:26:09,649 --> 00:26:07,320
mind

599
00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:09,659
uh do you remember David koresh uh oh

600
00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:12,779
yeah the Waco Siege yeah he to his

601
00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:14,940
followers he claimed to be divine so

602
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:17,159
that is uh that does seem to be like an

603
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:19,740
inherent component that you do have this

604
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:22,140
charismatic charismatic leader they do

605
00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:26,100
uh claim some uh Divinity uh it is very

606
00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:29,640
uh you know a very fundamentalistic

607
00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:31,980
um but at the same time if I scale that

608
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,720
larger and you know it looks like a

609
00:26:38,990 --> 00:26:36,000
religion it's not to disparage any Colts

610
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:39,000
or any any religion but uh to Deb's

611
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:40,799
point I think I've told my life a lot

612
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:43,080
it's like I think I could start a cult I

613
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:44,400
think I know exactly what I would need

614
00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:46,380
to say and what I would do and I think

615
00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:48,360
people because people want to believe

616
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,000
something they want somebody who has the

617
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,279
answers and uh if they think they found

618
00:26:57,529 --> 00:26:54,960
that person you know they will follow

619
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:57,539
them and um unfortunately a lot of

620
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,039
people take advantage of and they

621
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:01,679
exploit people's beliefs or people's uh

622
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:04,380
uh you know people's needs emotional and

623
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:07,260
social needs and you know you do wind up

624
00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:10,559
with a lot of a lot of Cults I I think

625
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:12,600
Simon fly is trying to preempt you he's

626
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,340
saying that he's starting one you just

627
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:15,919
send fifty dollars

628
00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:18,779
thank you Simon that's great I'm your

629
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,820
second member I just want to argue

630
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,279
though that knowing that formula is how

631
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:26,159
you avoid the cult exactly if being

632
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:28,260
knowledgeable is how you don't get in

633
00:27:34,850 --> 00:27:32,400
there yes can I get an amen yeah this is

634
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,860
an indoctrination process you know that

635
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:36,720
kind of indoctrinates you into their way

636
00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:38,460
of belief and they you know isolate you

637
00:27:45,769 --> 00:27:41,580
and so we can let's let's let's draw

638
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,779
this into UFOs Corey do you think that

639
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:48,000
do you think that experiencers who have

640
00:27:54,169 --> 00:27:51,240
had uh abduction experiences perhaps who

641
00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:54,179
have been exposed to this sort of uh

642
00:28:00,890 --> 00:27:57,720
cultivation of their belief into this

643
00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:00,900
group of whether it be Grays or mantids

644
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:05,340
or or rep reptilians that you need to

645
00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:08,159
carry our message you need to believe

646
00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:11,340
what we say do what we say do you think

647
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:13,080
there's a possible

648
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:17,039
uh cult sort of situation going on there

649
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:19,080
yeah and then Deb and Leah after him

650
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:19,919
please

651
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:23,340
yeah I mean it's um that's really that

652
00:28:28,610 --> 00:28:26,580
that's really hard to say that's a very

653
00:28:30,649 --> 00:28:28,620
so yes uh going back since the beginning

654
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:30,659
of the contact me to contact the

655
00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:32,820
equipment we've had you know dozens and

656
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:34,740
hundreds of people who have had profound

657
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:37,320
messages and you know they go out and

658
00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:39,960
start you know they start their groups

659
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:44,100
um you know I I'm a big fan we're not a

660
00:28:48,649 --> 00:28:46,679
big fan but uh like trickster guys you

661
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:48,659
know you think about like one of Jack

662
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:50,460
valet's book wrote a book called

663
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:53,580
messengers of deception so what if it

664
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:56,400
was that there was another entity uh who

665
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:58,140
was outside our space time and they were

666
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,039
just

667
00:29:03,289 --> 00:29:00,960
messing around with this

668
00:29:04,669 --> 00:29:03,299
because they had the ability to uh you

669
00:29:08,750 --> 00:29:04,679
know appear to be you know Supreme

670
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:08,760
Beings or uh or to be Gods so and it's

671
00:29:13,789 --> 00:29:11,640
not to say that people who are who have

672
00:29:15,890 --> 00:29:13,799
these beautiful messages not to say that

673
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,900
they're being used or that you know

674
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:17,760
they're not being altruistic it's just

675
00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:18,960
that

676
00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:19,860
um

677
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:24,360
from you know I'm I'm military minded so

678
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:25,260
um

679
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:28,740
the thief doesn't come as a thief right

680
00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:32,640
so if you're getting these messages

681
00:29:36,409 --> 00:29:34,140
um and there's multiple people getting

682
00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:36,419
these messages uh

683
00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:38,100
I think we just want to understand what

684
00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:41,580
the motive might be before we say this

685
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:44,220
is from a superior being they have the

686
00:29:52,970 --> 00:29:50,090
can I just mention to you this is one in

687
00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:52,980
Nathan's very early hypotheses when we

688
00:29:57,529 --> 00:29:55,500
came together and started uh sort of

689
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:57,539
trying to decide what our what we

690
00:30:01,730 --> 00:29:59,220
thought about or what we felt about the

691
00:30:05,149 --> 00:30:01,740
phenomena this is one of them

692
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:05,159
um a long SK a large-scale psychological

693
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:08,580
you know Warfare game is what uh it

694
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:11,279
looks like from from a lot of a lot of

695
00:30:14,570 --> 00:30:12,779
sides

696
00:30:16,909 --> 00:30:14,580
um and one of the things I've been very

697
00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:16,919
fortunate these last two years to

698
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,320
um haven't got on UFO Twitter I saw an

699
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:21,360
orb in 2020 that's what kind of pushed

700
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,340
me over the edge I had been hearing

701
00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:26,159
about uh UFO Twitter forever listening

702
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:28,980
to all you guys podcasts so the orb kind

703
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:31,799
of you know set me over and because of

704
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:35,279
that I've met so many great people uh I

705
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:37,260
joked that 9 out of 10 of my friends are

706
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:39,059
you know experiencers which is kind of

707
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,740
true at this point and they're

708
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:43,200
phenomenal people uh I mean just some of

709
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:46,020
the the best people I've ever met

710
00:30:50,510 --> 00:30:48,179
um and I met a lot of them at the two

711
00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:50,520
conferences that I've attended and over

712
00:30:56,269 --> 00:30:53,940
the phone so I'm always very careful not

713
00:30:57,889 --> 00:30:56,279
to be respectful of them and what their

714
00:30:59,210 --> 00:30:57,899
experience is

715
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:59,220
um you know and definitely not here to

716
00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:01,320
say what they aren't or not experiencing

717
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,940
you know I just I respect whatever

718
00:31:06,409 --> 00:31:04,320
they've experienced you know

719
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:06,419
subjectively

720
00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:08,760
Debs

721
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:11,100
so yeah kind of going back a little bit

722
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:14,640
and this is go to a comment that we had

723
00:31:18,049 --> 00:31:16,260
together our conversation we had

724
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:18,059
together Corey and I we were talking

725
00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:21,120
about how petsd might be a factor with

726
00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:23,820
the phenomenon and it occurred to me

727
00:31:28,370 --> 00:31:25,080
today

728
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:28,380
that people who have had trauma in their

729
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:31,860
lives may be looking for answers and

730
00:31:37,070 --> 00:31:34,440
maybe more vulnerable and may also be

731
00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:37,080
more hyper aware of the environment that

732
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,659
they're in so I mean these are thoughts

733
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:41,279
that I had so when we're talking about

734
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:43,860
may they be they're more susceptible to

735
00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:46,440
colds maybe they're like grasping for

736
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:49,020
answers I think those are all factors

737
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:50,760
and but they're also going to be the

738
00:31:54,649 --> 00:31:52,620
group that will be more aware of what's

739
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:54,659
going on

740
00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:56,100
yeah

741
00:32:01,310 --> 00:31:58,860
um trauma you know I know Dr Carla

742
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:01,320
Turner who's a phenomenal researcher uh

743
00:32:07,549 --> 00:32:04,799
who passed uh in in the late 90s so she

744
00:32:09,289 --> 00:32:07,559
talked a lot about trauma really it all

745
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:09,299
kind of abductive researchers uh talk

746
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:12,179
about trauma it's a traumatic experience

747
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:15,240
um there does seem to be something that

748
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:17,159
I don't want to say a benefit but a

749
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:19,500
byproduct of trauma it does seem that it

750
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:23,279
opens up uh certain portions you know of

751
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,140
our perception things that we couldn't

752
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:27,360
perceive before

753
00:32:32,930 --> 00:32:30,480
um I don't know if that's a necessity to

754
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:32,940
Awakening I'm starting to believe that

755
00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:35,700
that is a part of the process

756
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:39,419
um I know for me personally 2019 was a a

757
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:41,399
rough year just just for my just

758
00:32:45,769 --> 00:32:43,260
career-wise and you know just being in

759
00:32:47,510 --> 00:32:45,779
my mid-30s and having three kids and

760
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:47,520
trying to find out you know where I'm at

761
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,279
it was a traumatic year it really was

762
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:51,840
um and I'll you know I'll be personal

763
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,360
I'll be candid with everyone you know I

764
00:32:59,389 --> 00:32:56,880
spent most of my adult life kind of

765
00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:59,399
bragging to my wife that I don't cry oh

766
00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:01,500
I never cried you know I you know I

767
00:33:06,169 --> 00:33:03,480
don't cry at funerals is nothing you

768
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:06,179
know I spent my 20s kind of taking life

769
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:10,260
just in the face so after 2019 I

770
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,299
couldn't stop crying man I see somebody

771
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:14,880
like walking a puppy I'm crying I hear

772
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:18,080
you know somebody sad story I'm crying

773
00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:22,260
and that year was uh it was an amazing

774
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:24,299
year I grew so much spiritually

775
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:26,279
emotionally

776
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:28,380
um so

777
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,360
from a traumatic from a trauma

778
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:32,399
standpoint I think that there is a there

779
00:33:38,029 --> 00:33:35,100
is a a trade-off when you have a trauma

780
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,039
that it can open you up to something

781
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:41,039
something greater but to your point that

782
00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:43,980
uh could that also be an entry point for

783
00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:47,580
something to control you or something to

784
00:33:51,310 --> 00:33:49,559
manipulate you because you're at a low

785
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:51,320
point I don't know

786
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:53,700
that's a good one man that's a good

787
00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:56,580
answer I got some I want to ask ask Leah

788
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:59,159
a question and then we can also funnel

789
00:34:02,570 --> 00:34:00,840
that question over to you guys if this

790
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,580
happens sometimes on caps I ask

791
00:34:07,450 --> 00:34:04,559
questions of my co-host I just call me

792
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:07,460
crazy uh going off-roading here

793
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,359
Leah when exorcisms occur with this

794
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:14,159
other phenomenon that's perhaps

795
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,980
connected to our phenomenon meaning

796
00:34:22,369 --> 00:34:19,440
ufology and and perhaps a series of

797
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,379
other phenomenons such as a tangential

798
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:24,480
component of Bigfoot et cetera et cetera

799
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,740
but when when exorcisms occur and you

800
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:31,200
have a Catholic priest that will recite

801
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:35,760
a certain script uh that will somehow

802
00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:39,540
eject an evil spirit from a particular

803
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,540
dwelling why do you think that works

804
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:44,399
if you believe if in fact you believe it

805
00:34:47,329 --> 00:34:45,240
works

806
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:47,339
yes this is this is this is a great

807
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:48,839
question

808
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:52,379
um so the answer I'll give is actually

809
00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:54,060
very similar to how I would talk about

810
00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:56,580
the Conti contact team movement which is

811
00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:57,540
that

812
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,359
the Western tradition has very few

813
00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:02,880
narratives for the average layperson to

814
00:35:07,609 --> 00:35:05,220
navigate and interpret anomalous or

815
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,619
strange or mysterious phenomena either

816
00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:08,880
something observed or something

817
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:10,680
personally experienced

818
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:12,420
and I think that the power of an

819
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,740
exorcism isn't necessarily that like I

820
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:18,720
re I think that there is something real

821
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,300
going on in the sense that it is real to

822
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:22,800
someone's reality and it's something

823
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:26,820
that is um deeply affecting them and the

824
00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:29,400
process of an exorcism one

825
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:31,320
provides

826
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,060
um witnessing by an authority figure

827
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:35,040
that the individual trusts so it

828
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:36,960
legitimizes their experience makes them

829
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:39,540
feel less alone and more connected due

830
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:40,560
to something that's likely highly

831
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:42,180
traumatic

832
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:43,740
um the other thing it does is it

833
00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:46,140
provides a very powerful ritualistic

834
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:49,560
container in which both the the priest

835
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:52,920
or The Exorcist or the shaman is able to

836
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:57,839
guide the intensity of the person's

837
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,700
reality

838
00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:01,920
um in a way that our current culture and

839
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:03,720
current moment and current sense making

840
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:06,300
Frameworks don't manage because

841
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,040
everything that surrounds Us in Western

842
00:36:12,410 --> 00:36:10,560
culture is so heavily predicated on this

843
00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:12,420
Ultra materialistic interpretation of

844
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:15,300
human experience but the reality is that

845
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:17,339
um huge huge swaths of the population

846
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:19,140
regularly experience things that are

847
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:20,760
well outside that kind of materialist

848
00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:22,260
interpretation

849
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:25,560
so I think exorcisms or shamanic

850
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,720
journeying or whatever provide that kind

851
00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:30,480
of safe container which allows someone

852
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:33,780
to navigate the their intense internal

853
00:36:38,750 --> 00:36:36,720
landscape the other thing is there's

854
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:38,760
something called neural annealing which

855
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:40,980
happens and neural annealing basically

856
00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:44,160
is a way to excite the brand and then

857
00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:46,500
get it to then simmer back down in a way

858
00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:49,380
that's much more conducive to like

859
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,960
um like emotional regulation or being

860
00:36:56,569 --> 00:36:54,000
able to kind of just navigate life in a

861
00:36:58,190 --> 00:36:56,579
more reliable or stable fashion and

862
00:37:00,410 --> 00:36:58,200
there are all sorts of things we do for

863
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,420
neural annealing right now obviously

864
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:02,160
psychedelics are a big example of this

865
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,420
but it could be something like having

866
00:37:07,490 --> 00:37:05,280
sex it could be like really intense

867
00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:07,500
exercise it could be emotional catharsis

868
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,900
or it could be an exorcism or shamanic

869
00:37:11,569 --> 00:37:11,040
Journey

870
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,579
um

871
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:13,920
and this process of neural annealing is

872
00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:15,900
pretty well established in terms of like

873
00:37:19,069 --> 00:37:17,700
cognitive science and Consciousness

874
00:37:20,690 --> 00:37:19,079
research

875
00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:20,700
um and I think that when you go through

876
00:37:25,550 --> 00:37:22,140
that kind of

877
00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:25,560
Ultra intense shake-up it then uh

878
00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:27,060
provides like this emotional and

879
00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:29,460
psychological catharsis so for all

880
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,140
intents and purposes yes it's definitely

881
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:33,599
like real and uh very helpful for many

882
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:34,920
many people

883
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,020
but from a

884
00:37:43,569 --> 00:37:40,320
practical standpoint if there is an a

885
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:43,579
demon or I mean this I I and by the way

886
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:48,240
I heard a great podcast about a

887
00:37:54,109 --> 00:37:50,820
paranormal experience in Pennsylvania it

888
00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:54,119
was a local legislator uh who had bought

889
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:56,760
a house he wanted since his childhood uh

890
00:38:02,089 --> 00:37:58,740
it's called the Brownsville Pennsylvania

891
00:38:03,050 --> 00:38:02,099
incident something like that and

892
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,060
um

893
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:06,240
and yeah uh he ended up it was a 15-year

894
00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:08,700
battle but eventually they were able to

895
00:38:13,849 --> 00:38:11,220
get the spirit out of this home and so

896
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:13,859
Corey from from your standpoint

897
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:16,200
what do you think it is that that spirit

898
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,300
is reacting to

899
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:21,359
uh that causes it to say they hear the

900
00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:23,339
ritual that Leah described something

901
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:25,560
that isn't part of modern day culture

902
00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:27,900
but was maybe written I don't even know

903
00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:30,540
how old those those uh modalities are or

904
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:32,579
that protocol that uh what do you think

905
00:38:36,349 --> 00:38:33,960
about that

906
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,359
you know I'm not sure uh you know

907
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,880
obviously I've read a lot I I tend to

908
00:38:43,970 --> 00:38:40,800
think that it's it's probably not the

909
00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:43,980
words that that it's the it's the

910
00:38:49,069 --> 00:38:46,680
emotion or the the energy that is

911
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:49,079
emanating you know from that person that

912
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:53,040
probably you know acts as a repellent to

913
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:55,560
uh like a negative entity

914
00:38:59,870 --> 00:38:57,060
um if that makes you know if that makes

915
00:39:02,870 --> 00:38:59,880
like a wasp it's a wasp spray basically

916
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:02,880
yeah the the throwing of holy water but

917
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,040
but before we get into that estimate of

918
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:08,400
the situation Tom is in the joint for

919
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:11,400
Corey's surprise party baby hey what's

920
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:13,740
up brother

921
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:19,490
come

922
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:23,940
on he's muted there we go I can his mic

923
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:26,220
is not connected that's why so there we

924
00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:29,880
go uh Tom there he is

925
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:34,140
good guys hey welcome you feeling okay

926
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,380
yeah yeah I'm uh it's I've been sick all

927
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:39,839
week so I just got my voice back

928
00:39:43,329 --> 00:39:41,460
um so I mean it happened to be here I've

929
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:43,339
been listening the last like 10 minutes

930
00:39:48,290 --> 00:39:46,680
uh dude I haven't seen you Corey I

931
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:48,300
haven't seen you in like a couple months

932
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:51,540
now since the last one yeah December

933
00:39:56,450 --> 00:39:54,180
yeah December and I know we met uh in

934
00:39:58,190 --> 00:39:56,460
October had a good time I think yeah yes

935
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,200
we stayed out till four o'clock in the

936
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:00,320
morning

937
00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:04,740
and I have your uh I have your uh the

938
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:06,180
book that you gave me which I think is

939
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:08,940
like a phenomenal what you guys did uh

940
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:11,460
like with that era of ufology and you

941
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:14,160
turn into a comic book oh you read it oh

942
00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:15,780
yeah yeah you gave me a copy you gave me

943
00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:18,300
a copy and it's really well done

944
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,320
yeah

945
00:40:25,490 --> 00:40:21,599
there it is I'm in the doghouse with Tom

946
00:40:29,089 --> 00:40:27,589
bet thank you dude I would go to these

947
00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:29,099
conventions and like literally give them

948
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:30,900
out to people I'm like please read this

949
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:33,680
it's I think it's really good it is

950
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:36,480
thank you so much for for doing that it

951
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:38,280
was so awesome to meet you there by the

952
00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:39,900
way you look like the artistic version

953
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,359
of Rocky Balboa with the hoodie on I'm

954
00:40:47,089 --> 00:40:44,400
waiting for you to go Jog and maybe hit

955
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,099
a side of beef in the freezer dude it's

956
00:40:51,890 --> 00:40:50,160
just to to um to uh deter away from the

957
00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:51,900
fact that I like I'm so run down I'm

958
00:40:56,530 --> 00:40:53,339
like I'll just put a hoodie on have a

959
00:41:02,030 --> 00:40:56,540
little yeah coffee and uh I'll be good

960
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:04,069
when I interviewed him I gave him my

961
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:11,870
stop sharing like that all right

962
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,460
um I don't know if you guys before we go

963
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,839
did you have anything to say about

964
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:17,760
exorcism anything interesting and then

965
00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:20,040
we can we can move on

966
00:41:25,849 --> 00:41:23,160
um I mean obviously it has a purpose and

967
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:25,859
it you can go either way with it that

968
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,760
it's really exercising demons or you

969
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:31,760
know you could go with placebo effect

970
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:34,920
which is you know psychological concept

971
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,440
that once you believe a thing has been

972
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,560
done or is working that's all you need

973
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:43,440
which you know it's not necessarily a

974
00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:45,240
bad thing either because if it's a

975
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,460
spiritual problem that would be

976
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:49,920
effective as well

977
00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:52,260
yeah I will try I will try to find this

978
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:55,320
episode for you but just to and and I'm

979
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:57,420
sorry to interrupt you Corey I'll try to

980
00:42:02,270 --> 00:41:59,640
find this episode for you but there were

981
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:02,280
essentially multiple members of the

982
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:04,020
family a lot of different things

983
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:06,599
happened again it was a a 15-year battle

984
00:42:12,589 --> 00:42:09,480
they even found where there were things

985
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:12,599
there was a sealed uh kind of like

986
00:42:18,050 --> 00:42:15,660
behind a stairwell there was a wall and

987
00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:18,060
there were things that were found inside

988
00:42:21,950 --> 00:42:19,859
the wall they brought in a medium the

989
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:21,960
medium is the one who cracked the case

990
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:24,420
the medium is the one who sort of gave

991
00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:26,940
them the tools to fight and said if you

992
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:28,740
look inside this wall I think you'll

993
00:42:32,569 --> 00:42:30,300
find something and they broke into that

994
00:42:35,329 --> 00:42:32,579
wall and found things inside the house

995
00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:35,339
that were in the sealed wall uh so this

996
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,280
Spirit was quite powerful had driven

997
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:40,800
people out of the house members of the

998
00:42:46,609 --> 00:42:44,099
family uh and then finally I think they

999
00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:46,619
said on the last day they felt it's it's

1000
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:48,599
kind of light go out and they never had

1001
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:51,180
a problem again after that but 15 years

1002
00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:54,180
it's a long time yeah I'll find that

1003
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,280
podcast and share it with everybody it

1004
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,560
was on the Unsolved Mysteries podcast

1005
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:01,200
that's where I heard this so if you guys

1006
00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:02,640
know that obviously everyone knows the

1007
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,680
show so did you have anything Tom do you

1008
00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:07,920
want yeah I have a question um so Leah

1009
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,500
mentioned something that like uh you

1010
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:12,000
know you have a lot of these uh like

1011
00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:14,700
these spiritualistic rituals right that

1012
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:16,740
um that oftentimes take a mediator like

1013
00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:19,440
a shaman or something like that and like

1014
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,819
according to what you said like the

1015
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:23,040
theory that is all just to help navigate

1016
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,339
an internal landscape of sorts right do

1017
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,839
you and the rest of the panel do you

1018
00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:30,480
think that that's strictly true or are

1019
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,859
there things that are outside that

1020
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,839
internal landscape like for instance

1021
00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:35,760
when people call on guides or something

1022
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:37,079
like that that point them in the right

1023
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,420
direction yeah do they exist outside of

1024
00:43:43,970 --> 00:43:42,000
that or is that still kind of part of

1025
00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:43,980
the internal landscape you know it's a

1026
00:43:50,349 --> 00:43:46,500
mind [\h__\h] if you think about it but

1027
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,359
um it could go both ways I don't know

1028
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:53,280
just to make sure as you talk about in a

1029
00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:56,040
spiritual encounter in a home what what

1030
00:44:01,010 --> 00:43:58,380
is the context of this like let's say

1031
00:44:02,569 --> 00:44:01,020
you um you uh you have an ayahuasca

1032
00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:02,579
ceremony for instance and you have a

1033
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:04,020
shaman come in and everyone takes the

1034
00:44:09,050 --> 00:44:05,880
brew and then everyone goes on their

1035
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:09,060
individual spiritual journey but I I

1036
00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:10,560
think like there there's an argument

1037
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:12,780
right to be made that like all of that

1038
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,420
takes place inside your your mind or

1039
00:44:19,609 --> 00:44:16,800
your soul whatever you want to call it

1040
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:19,619
or even like even the guides themselves

1041
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:22,680
like that they exist within you but I'm

1042
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,300
like wondering can they also exist

1043
00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:27,119
outside of you and almost kind of um be

1044
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:28,920
like a separate entity or separate force

1045
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:30,660
from all of that and I don't know if

1046
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:32,460
there's room for those two theories to

1047
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,260
to play well with each other or not but

1048
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:36,240
like I always wondered if it's if it's

1049
00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:37,500
all in here or if there's actually

1050
00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:39,720
something out there that's communicating

1051
00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:42,060
with me in here you know who wants to

1052
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:43,319
take that first you want that

1053
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,040
coordination yeah um that that's

1054
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,680
something that uh and that's around like

1055
00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:51,599
diverge from you know technical research

1056
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,400
and you get into like you know theology

1057
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,720
but

1058
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:57,359
I think all is one I really I really do

1059
00:45:01,730 --> 00:44:59,880
I really do think that all is one that

1060
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:01,740
uh and I want to try to quote Neville

1061
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:05,520
Goddard uh all that you behold all the

1062
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,280
although it appears without it is within

1063
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,040
it is within of which this world uh is

1064
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,380
but a shadow and

1065
00:45:18,530 --> 00:45:15,839
um I'm a firm believer that we don't

1066
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,540
live in a materialistic Universe uh it

1067
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:21,359
is it is thought it is consciousness we

1068
00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:24,780
are manifesting this so what those

1069
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:27,060
entities yeah I think they're a part of

1070
00:45:30,770 --> 00:45:28,680
the same thing that we're a part of that

1071
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,780
maybe they have more bandwidth than we

1072
00:45:33,950 --> 00:45:32,640
have and we have very narrowly putting

1073
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,960
it

1074
00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:35,520
um and I think that yeah to a degree

1075
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,940
where Sleepwalkers here we have very you

1076
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:40,800
know very narrow perception

1077
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:44,099
it's been working for 55 years Corey I

1078
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:45,119
mean

1079
00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:47,160
my granddad and then we'll go Leah and

1080
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:48,420
then myself

1081
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,200
I don't know I it's I have to go with a

1082
00:45:56,450 --> 00:45:54,720
personal experience where I was shown

1083
00:45:58,690 --> 00:45:56,460
that a lot of the things that are

1084
00:46:02,230 --> 00:45:58,700
outside of us are actually from within

1085
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:02,240
and if you read anything on perception

1086
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:05,460
all of our world is really from you know

1087
00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:07,020
things within

1088
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,240
um our brain makes the world around us

1089
00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:11,760
the world that you see may not be the

1090
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,520
same world that I see so I'm on the

1091
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:16,079
fence with that one I can't really give

1092
00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:17,640
you a solid answer but there's a

1093
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:19,020
possibility that things are a little

1094
00:46:26,329 --> 00:46:22,440
more complicated than we realize

1095
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:26,339
Leah prime time yeah so

1096
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,880
um

1097
00:46:31,450 --> 00:46:29,040
I I will say that probably my most

1098
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:31,460
closely held

1099
00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:33,300
unconventional belief is that

1100
00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:35,220
Consciousness is not fully local I think

1101
00:46:38,750 --> 00:46:36,780
a substantial amount of Consciousness is

1102
00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:38,760
basically part of a field that we engage

1103
00:46:42,829 --> 00:46:41,099
with and transceive

1104
00:46:44,030 --> 00:46:42,839
um you know and it's very present that

1105
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,040
we're talking about this I was just

1106
00:46:47,809 --> 00:46:45,839
reading Bernardo costrips meaning in

1107
00:46:49,550 --> 00:46:47,819
absurdity this morning which if anyone

1108
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:49,560
hasn't read that I think is probably one

1109
00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:51,780
of the best works on understanding and

1110
00:46:55,849 --> 00:46:54,119
interpreting anomalous phenomena and he

1111
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:55,859
draws really heavily on a lot of the

1112
00:46:59,930 --> 00:46:57,480
kind of current idealists like Donald

1113
00:47:01,849 --> 00:46:59,940
Hoffman basically

1114
00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:01,859
um saying that the best we can have is

1115
00:47:06,589 --> 00:47:04,140
this kind of like

1116
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:06,599
weak objectivity where we can have

1117
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:08,280
things occur that all of us largely

1118
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:11,760
agree with and perceive similarly like

1119
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:14,640
our material and physical realities

1120
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:15,359
um

1121
00:47:19,849 --> 00:47:18,060
but that that is the best we can do that

1122
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:19,859
there's still this interpretive lens

1123
00:47:24,770 --> 00:47:22,680
going on that interfaces between us and

1124
00:47:26,089 --> 00:47:24,780
what's actually actually going on around

1125
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:26,099
us

1126
00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:32,520
engaging with the icons and software on

1127
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:33,540
the computer you're not actually

1128
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:35,880
engaging directly with the computer and

1129
00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:37,619
I think that that's sort of

1130
00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:38,819
um when we think

1131
00:47:42,589 --> 00:47:40,920
to Loop this back around to what we were

1132
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,599
originally talking about about is this

1133
00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:44,640
all happening internally

1134
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:45,240
um

1135
00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:46,980
I don't think it's all necessarily

1136
00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:49,020
happening or being generated internally

1137
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,060
a lot of it is likely exogenous or

1138
00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:54,240
outside of ourselves but I think

1139
00:47:59,150 --> 00:47:57,240
um the emotional uh and sort of

1140
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,160
psychological experience and intensities

1141
00:48:02,990 --> 00:48:01,680
associated with this is an internal

1142
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:03,000
experience

1143
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:06,420
so in that sense like getting away from

1144
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,540
anxiety or fear or despair that may

1145
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:11,040
accompany

1146
00:48:16,250 --> 00:48:13,380
um someone as they're going through an

1147
00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:16,260
emergence of some kind I think that that

1148
00:48:19,250 --> 00:48:17,880
is an internal reality it's not

1149
00:48:22,089 --> 00:48:19,260
something that's happening outside of

1150
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:23,930
that's interesting

1151
00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:25,800
go ahead you know that's all Leah does

1152
00:48:28,849 --> 00:48:27,180
is interesting that's what she

1153
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:28,859
specializes in

1154
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,380
um so I think of this kind of like I'm

1155
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:33,119
going to use some computer analogies

1156
00:48:36,589 --> 00:48:34,380
like

1157
00:48:38,450 --> 00:48:36,599
in the Air Force you know we have these

1158
00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:38,460
uh when you walk up to the wall and

1159
00:48:42,410 --> 00:48:40,440
you're going to plug this ethernet cable

1160
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:42,420
into your computer

1161
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,480
um Port Securities turned on so if that

1162
00:48:50,089 --> 00:48:47,520
Port hasn't been open you can plug into

1163
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:50,099
there and there's information coming

1164
00:48:54,050 --> 00:48:52,140
from a server but if that port's not on

1165
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:54,060
you're not going to get anything until

1166
00:49:00,109 --> 00:48:56,700
they basically put the name of your Port

1167
00:49:02,089 --> 00:49:00,119
uh your computer your Mac address onto

1168
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,099
that Port then then you'll you'll start

1169
00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:04,319
to receive data and you're connected to

1170
00:49:10,849 --> 00:49:08,339
this larger web so for you know this

1171
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:10,859
Shaman you know this this uh individual

1172
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,260
maybe who's uh you know bringing the

1173
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:14,880
Ayahuasca who's going to bring you that

1174
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:17,700
experience uh that's outside

1175
00:49:23,089 --> 00:49:20,880
and then inside you may have your own

1176
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,099
also your own internal Port that is

1177
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:25,680
either open or not open so some people

1178
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:28,380
will open that port and they're able to

1179
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,780
connect with the spirit world we call

1180
00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:33,359
them mediums I consider them Heroes

1181
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,180
because they are able to bring Comfort

1182
00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:39,119
to people who are in an extremely

1183
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:41,880
stressful situation with someone who is

1184
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:45,000
on another plane they can't connect to

1185
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,980
them the phenomenon can connect to that

1186
00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:49,440
person and move things around in their

1187
00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:51,960
physical world and terrorize them and

1188
00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:54,180
make them feel fear and make them feel

1189
00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:55,560
something as soon as they walk in their

1190
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:57,300
dwelling and then you have another

1191
00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:00,359
person that comes in that is able to

1192
00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:04,500
their port is open and maybe my port you

1193
00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:06,540
know it's I could open that Port it

1194
00:50:11,150 --> 00:50:09,300
maybe if I knew how you know and maybe

1195
00:50:13,849 --> 00:50:11,160
I'm that Bigfoot who mind speaks with

1196
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:13,859
people I don't know I don't mean me

1197
00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:15,060
personally but I mean there's some

1198
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:17,640
bigfoots that seem to mind speak some

1199
00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:20,400
don't so you know some of them may have

1200
00:50:24,349 --> 00:50:22,260
that poured open and some that ports

1201
00:50:27,470 --> 00:50:24,359
turned off and then of course you have

1202
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,480
the uh that uh that that port at the

1203
00:50:32,990 --> 00:50:29,760
wall who's the shaman who is is coming

1204
00:50:35,329 --> 00:50:33,000
in and putting stimuli which could be in

1205
00:50:38,750 --> 00:50:35,339
the form of Ayahuasca it could be in the

1206
00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:38,760
form of ritual uh that has been uh

1207
00:50:42,770 --> 00:50:40,560
coming into you and creating an

1208
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,780
experience that may be very positive may

1209
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,920
not

1210
00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:46,079
um so that's kind of how I look at it I

1211
00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:48,900
I think of uh mediums and so forth are

1212
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,140
these people that are are able to

1213
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,720
connect and I also think that depending

1214
00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:56,640
upon what's going on with you you may be

1215
00:51:00,589 --> 00:50:58,920
open to an experience or you may be

1216
00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:00,599
closed off someone's trying to hypnotize

1217
00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:02,520
you and you just won't let it happen you

1218
00:51:06,650 --> 00:51:04,260
have your door closed you know your your

1219
00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:06,660
arms are folded so that's kind of how I

1220
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:08,700
think of it uh Tom

1221
00:51:12,890 --> 00:51:11,099
yeah you know the that idea of like

1222
00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:12,900
closing yourself off to the experience I

1223
00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:15,059
wasn't a big believer in that I felt

1224
00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:16,020
like if something was gonna happen to

1225
00:51:19,609 --> 00:51:18,180
you is going to happen then I did do an

1226
00:51:21,890 --> 00:51:19,619
ayahuasca ceremony with two of my

1227
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:21,900
friends and uh one friend was already

1228
00:51:25,730 --> 00:51:24,240
open to it and the other one was very

1229
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:25,740
closed off and he came from a financial

1230
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:28,380
background like a finance background and

1231
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:31,260
I just remembered that uh the friend who

1232
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:33,720
was open to it was definitely in it had

1233
00:51:38,569 --> 00:51:36,660
the experience uh different from mine

1234
00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:38,579
but like you know we can relate to it

1235
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:40,980
the one the friend who wasn't into it

1236
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:42,660
who was so closed off and I think like

1237
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:44,520
two hours in he's like I want to go home

1238
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:47,760
I'm like dude we cannot go home right

1239
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,839
now there's people throwing up

1240
00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:50,640
everywhere like they're gonna call the

1241
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:52,740
cops etc etc

1242
00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:55,079
um but he could not get into it and he

1243
00:51:58,430 --> 00:51:57,000
took the same dose if not I made him

1244
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:58,440
take another one well I mean I didn't

1245
00:52:02,809 --> 00:52:00,599
make him but like I I suggested take

1246
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:02,819
another one maybe you'll get into it he

1247
00:52:07,309 --> 00:52:05,700
did and Ayahuasca is a very powerful you

1248
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:07,319
know analog it's not something you can

1249
00:52:11,150 --> 00:52:08,819
just take and be like all right well

1250
00:52:13,309 --> 00:52:11,160
that's good I'm gonna go to work but he

1251
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:13,319
could not get into the experience and

1252
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:16,680
that was my first like real life world

1253
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,260
case scenario by wow he closed himself

1254
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:21,599
off and was not able to connect to

1255
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:23,099
whatever it was that everybody else is

1256
00:52:26,569 --> 00:52:25,140
connecting to ever since then like I've

1257
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:26,579
been a big believer you closed yourself

1258
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:27,660
off

1259
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,220
it's not gonna

1260
00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:31,200
I I have something I want to say here

1261
00:52:36,589 --> 00:52:34,200
which is I'm super fascinated by how the

1262
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:36,599
experience of aesthetic chill relates to

1263
00:52:40,849 --> 00:52:38,940
people's openness to

1264
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:40,859
um sort of awe and wonderment and I see

1265
00:52:44,270 --> 00:52:42,900
this actually I I when I interviewed

1266
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:44,280
Mick West the other night that was the

1267
00:52:47,630 --> 00:52:45,839
question I asked him as if he ever

1268
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:47,640
experiences aesthetic chill because

1269
00:52:54,530 --> 00:52:51,599
there's a relationship between that and

1270
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,540
um awe and Transcendence where people

1271
00:53:00,049 --> 00:52:56,880
who don't experience aesthetic chill

1272
00:53:01,809 --> 00:53:00,059
tend to also have internal Frameworks

1273
00:53:04,370 --> 00:53:01,819
that are extremely

1274
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:04,380
materialist in nature and like not

1275
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,420
connected to religion or Divinity or

1276
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:08,160
this overwhelming sense of awe or

1277
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,540
wonderment that people have when they

1278
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:11,520
see nature or art or hear certain kinds

1279
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:12,660
of music

1280
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:15,480
um and similarly I have this pet theory

1281
00:53:18,890 --> 00:53:16,980
that that also relates to how people

1282
00:53:20,809 --> 00:53:18,900
experience psychedelics like Ayahuasca

1283
00:53:22,849 --> 00:53:20,819
and psilocybin where if they are not

1284
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:22,859
already inclined to experience that

1285
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,260
aesthetic chill or Frozen

1286
00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:27,359
um in turn those experiences kind of

1287
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:29,940
lack that spiritual or Divine Dimension

1288
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,980
that is otherwise you know pretty common

1289
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,079
for when people participate in those

1290
00:53:38,890 --> 00:53:35,760
ceremonies

1291
00:53:41,450 --> 00:53:38,900
okay yeah it kind of brings us back

1292
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,460
that kind of brings us back to all these

1293
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,440
things you know occurring

1294
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:45,599
um you know inside or outside you know

1295
00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:48,119
it made me think of like the slit

1296
00:53:54,490 --> 00:53:50,339
experiment the absorber effect we know

1297
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:54,500
that uh our observation of the universe

1298
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:58,079
uh interacts with us like the universe

1299
00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:02,160
kind of uh Ken mold to our intentions or

1300
00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:04,619
our expectations

1301
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:05,880
um that's interesting that somebody

1302
00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:08,880
would take Ayahuasca and not uh feel it

1303
00:54:13,309 --> 00:54:11,460
it almost makes me I know if they have

1304
00:54:15,549 --> 00:54:13,319
like a gallbladder issue or something or

1305
00:54:18,049 --> 00:54:15,559
they're not metabolized

1306
00:54:20,089 --> 00:54:18,059
because it's kind of like get that call

1307
00:54:22,370 --> 00:54:20,099
Black if you were at the ayahuasca

1308
00:54:24,589 --> 00:54:22,380
ceremony with Tom get that gallbladder

1309
00:54:26,569 --> 00:54:24,599
check that's your cab medical and and

1310
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:26,579
you can talk to Deb if you need to yeah

1311
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:28,740
maybe he got the bad batch or something

1312
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:32,160
you know I don't know he he's very

1313
00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:35,460
straight laced and you know um I know it

1314
00:54:38,569 --> 00:54:36,540
was just really strange because again

1315
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,579
like any any of these analogs you take I

1316
00:54:42,049 --> 00:54:40,559
was always on the impression that you're

1317
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,059
gonna you're in for a ride no matter

1318
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:44,160
what you don't have a choice you know so

1319
00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:47,400
so so so Tom if you have you know that

1320
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:49,020
that on your laptop you know you have

1321
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,200
that ethernet port but if that if that's

1322
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,480
not turned on like there's a malfunction

1323
00:54:59,089 --> 00:54:56,880
with that ethernet port then even though

1324
00:55:01,849 --> 00:54:59,099
you've got a live port on the wall got

1325
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:01,859
good ethernet connection to the wall but

1326
00:55:07,210 --> 00:55:04,559
then you plug in and nothing happens

1327
00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:07,220
yeah that's a good point

1328
00:55:11,630 --> 00:55:09,540
you know start all these computer

1329
00:55:13,069 --> 00:55:11,640
analogies what's going on here Deb well

1330
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,079
first of all let me say hello to Nicole

1331
00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:15,359
Ness Nelson right here she said bless

1332
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,460
and thank you thank you for coming and

1333
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,160
joining us obviously you're a Corey fan

1334
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:22,559
so are we he's got great hair uh Chase

1335
00:55:27,770 --> 00:55:25,520
Howard uh

1336
00:55:31,790 --> 00:55:27,780
what's up buddy

1337
00:55:34,370 --> 00:55:31,800
uh and and Shannon says here

1338
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:34,380
what does she say though what what

1339
00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:37,440
second wonder story makes me think about

1340
00:55:41,809 --> 00:55:39,540
there being several explanations for

1341
00:55:43,309 --> 00:55:41,819
things like possession oh we're back to

1342
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,319
possession I don't know where Deb's

1343
00:55:48,770 --> 00:55:45,839
going you know what I'm the floor is

1344
00:55:50,809 --> 00:55:48,780
dead so wherever Deb wants to go I guess

1345
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:50,819
I just wanted to talk about what you're

1346
00:55:55,250 --> 00:55:53,160
excited about with this I mean it's a

1347
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:55,260
pretty broad question but you know

1348
00:55:59,150 --> 00:55:57,240
obviously there are a million things

1349
00:56:00,530 --> 00:55:59,160
what are you excited about right now and

1350
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,540
I love the fact by the way that you're

1351
00:56:05,089 --> 00:56:02,640
writing notes as we talk

1352
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:05,099
me yeah it looks like you're writing

1353
00:56:08,210 --> 00:56:06,660
notes yeah I'm writing all kinds of

1354
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,220
notes because you guys are hitting on

1355
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,319
all kinds of things like what am I

1356
00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:13,440
excited about in terms of like current

1357
00:56:18,109 --> 00:56:15,480
uh like like what's happening currently

1358
00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:18,119
yes what are you excited about what what

1359
00:56:22,970 --> 00:56:19,980
is giving you

1360
00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:22,980
um that aesthetic chill right now when

1361
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:25,859
it comes to the UFOs he may not actually

1362
00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:28,140
experienced it only about like

1363
00:56:34,030 --> 00:56:30,780
two-thirds of people do I don't I'm not

1364
00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:34,040
familiar with the aesthetic chill uh

1365
00:56:40,490 --> 00:56:37,380
it's all yeah I'm gonna

1366
00:56:42,410 --> 00:56:40,500
I'm in a constant state of all I you

1367
00:56:44,329 --> 00:56:42,420
know people talk about meditating I

1368
00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:44,339
actually you know don't meditate it's I

1369
00:56:46,990 --> 00:56:46,140
don't know if I could sit still that

1370
00:56:50,510 --> 00:56:47,000
long

1371
00:56:51,890 --> 00:56:50,520
whatever is going on with me and like if

1372
00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:51,900
you look at my Twitter feed and you see

1373
00:56:57,049 --> 00:56:54,180
like why is he posting all this stuff I

1374
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:57,059
I can't tell you those things come from

1375
00:57:02,630 --> 00:56:58,980
outside of me I don't know how to say it

1376
00:57:05,089 --> 00:57:02,640
uh but I it's like an into it's like an

1377
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,099
intuition so what am I excited about I'm

1378
00:57:09,410 --> 00:57:07,680
excited about watching uh other people

1379
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:09,420
come into their own I'm excited about

1380
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,480
watching people uh realize that they

1381
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:14,160
don't have to live their life on a fear

1382
00:57:18,010 --> 00:57:15,119
you know fear shouldn't be your

1383
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:18,020
motivator I'm I'm excited to see people

1384
00:57:23,569 --> 00:57:21,119
realize that we truly are brothers and

1385
00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:23,579
sisters that we are all connected that

1386
00:57:28,130 --> 00:57:25,800
you know we that we do have a you know a

1387
00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:28,140
common a common goal you know as like a

1388
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,180
species I'm excited to see people cut

1389
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:31,920
down their barriers and you know open

1390
00:57:36,170 --> 00:57:33,660
their minds

1391
00:57:38,569 --> 00:57:36,180
um I see that happening you know there's

1392
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,579
a lot of bad things happening you know

1393
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:40,559
um across the world but on a personal

1394
00:57:44,809 --> 00:57:43,260
level I see so many people doing amazing

1395
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,819
things and that's what really really

1396
00:57:49,309 --> 00:57:46,319
inspires me

1397
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:49,319
um it's not about me uh that's why I try

1398
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:51,540
to be anonymous but I'm really about

1399
00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:54,720
pushing other people to ask questions

1400
00:57:58,370 --> 00:57:56,819
um not so they can get objective you

1401
00:58:00,290 --> 00:57:58,380
know answers they can go find this

1402
00:58:02,329 --> 00:58:00,300
document so they can find the subjective

1403
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,339
answers within themselves and I think

1404
00:58:05,930 --> 00:58:04,559
ultimately that's what all of us really

1405
00:58:08,510 --> 00:58:05,940
want

1406
00:58:10,970 --> 00:58:08,520
um is to is to have an answer about you

1407
00:58:14,569 --> 00:58:10,980
know who we are and what's our place in

1408
00:58:16,010 --> 00:58:14,579
this you know this this kind of uh you

1409
00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:16,020
know the scheme that we find ourselves

1410
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:17,700
in

1411
00:58:24,890 --> 00:58:22,680
same place too Corey like I'm went from

1412
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:24,900
finding all the information going this

1413
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:27,599
is amazing now I know it and everyone

1414
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,880
needs to think about it so I appreciate

1415
00:58:32,809 --> 00:58:31,680
that

1416
00:58:35,089 --> 00:58:32,819
yeah

1417
00:58:36,770 --> 00:58:35,099
um I just like on Twitter I I like

1418
00:58:38,930 --> 00:58:36,780
getting conversation started you know

1419
00:58:41,089 --> 00:58:38,940
it's not that I don't have any answers

1420
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:41,099
it's all conjecture

1421
00:58:44,329 --> 00:58:42,900
um and of course you know I've I've read

1422
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,339
all the same books and watched the same

1423
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:46,559
documentaries as everyone else

1424
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,760
um but I really just like to put out

1425
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:49,440
different points of opinion and then I

1426
00:58:52,910 --> 00:58:51,180
love to see like those threads kind of

1427
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:52,920
Blossom on their own and other people

1428
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,920
hop in maybe they start arguing you know

1429
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,319
uh but I yeah I just love to see that

1430
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:00,480
you know I kind of I want to Galvanize

1431
00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:02,160
you know people with you know maybe

1432
00:59:06,770 --> 00:59:03,480
something that they haven't heard before

1433
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:06,780
so I'm trying to find you know rare you

1434
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:09,780
know rare pieces of uh you know UFO data

1435
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:12,660
to share but my ultimate goal and I'm

1436
00:59:16,430 --> 00:59:14,040
just kind of going on here to see we're

1437
00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:16,440
running out of time is uh no you're okay

1438
00:59:21,049 --> 00:59:18,780
keep keep going you know his pockets

1439
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:21,059
when I got on you for Twitter one of the

1440
00:59:25,309 --> 00:59:23,040
first things I noticed is that there was

1441
00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:25,319
no healthy discourse if if someone

1442
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:27,720
disagreed with you uh they were pretty

1443
00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:31,680
quick to bash you and I also saw that um

1444
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:34,440
that there was a lack of kind of data

1445
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:36,000
out there people you know they weren't

1446
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,440
quoting things they were just like Oh I

1447
00:59:41,089 --> 00:59:38,880
thought I heard this and I heard that

1448
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:41,099
and they would argue and too many times

1449
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:43,920
I would see two people uh who actually

1450
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,260
agree with one another but they've used

1451
00:59:50,450 --> 00:59:48,960
different ways to frame what what

1452
00:59:52,970 --> 00:59:50,460
they're talking about you know maybe

1453
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,980
different you know different words so I

1454
00:59:58,370 --> 00:59:54,480
said if I'm going to do anything on

1455
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,380
Twitter I have to uh promote healthy

1456
01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:00,720
discourse you know uh positive

1457
01:00:05,450 --> 01:00:03,720
interactions so that's one of my goals

1458
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:05,460
uh is to if I'm gonna have an

1459
01:00:08,690 --> 01:00:06,900
interaction with you it's going to be

1460
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:08,700
positive you know even if even if we

1461
01:00:10,990 --> 01:00:10,260
disagree

1462
01:00:14,329 --> 01:00:11,000
um

1463
01:00:16,430 --> 01:00:14,339
and uh so try to cultivate that and I've

1464
01:00:17,930 --> 01:00:16,440
seen that a little bit that more and

1465
01:00:20,270 --> 01:00:17,940
more people are like thank you my friend

1466
01:00:23,390 --> 01:00:20,280
you know I really appreciate that so

1467
01:00:25,250 --> 01:00:23,400
just trying to uh yeah just trying to

1468
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:25,260
trying to be an example to show you know

1469
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,760
that we all can treat each other a lot

1470
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:28,559
better and these conversations we want

1471
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:32,160
to have about UFOs can be a lot easier

1472
01:00:37,609 --> 01:00:33,780
um if we all just be a little bit more

1473
01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:37,619
open-minded and you know get rid of some

1474
01:00:42,289 --> 01:00:40,260
of the some of the barriers we've placed

1475
01:00:44,270 --> 01:00:42,299
around these topics

1476
01:00:46,849 --> 01:00:44,280
because Corey

1477
01:00:48,770 --> 01:00:46,859
yeah sorry do you think so

1478
01:00:51,470 --> 01:00:48,780
what do you think it's going to take to

1479
01:00:53,569 --> 01:00:51,480
Galvanize the rest of the public so to

1480
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:53,579
speak outside of UFO Twitter to kind of

1481
01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:54,960
be like oh okay let's take a serious

1482
01:00:59,390 --> 01:00:57,420
look at this because right now if you do

1483
01:01:01,069 --> 01:00:59,400
a poll like most people be like yeah

1484
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:01,079
they might be out there or whatever

1485
01:01:06,589 --> 01:01:03,480
but they're unaware of

1486
01:01:08,270 --> 01:01:06,599
I guess the legacy of like uh of the

1487
01:01:10,970 --> 01:01:08,280
cover-up as well as investigations going

1488
01:01:13,010 --> 01:01:10,980
on for like you know 75 years so like I

1489
01:01:14,270 --> 01:01:13,020
wonder do you do you think it's going to

1490
01:01:17,450 --> 01:01:14,280
be an event do you think it's going to

1491
01:01:20,030 --> 01:01:17,460
be somebody or or maybe maybe a podcast

1492
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,040
blows It Wide Open I don't know you know

1493
01:01:24,410 --> 01:01:22,319
that is that's a good question I I

1494
01:01:27,170 --> 01:01:24,420
really struggle with that

1495
01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:27,180
um I I can't imagine even if we did have

1496
01:01:31,970 --> 01:01:29,460
the infamous White House lawn Landing

1497
01:01:33,410 --> 01:01:31,980
people would still say that CGI I wasn't

1498
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:33,420
there

1499
01:01:40,370 --> 01:01:38,280
going to be able to convince everybody

1500
01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:40,380
um all of us we've seen enough you know

1501
01:01:44,270 --> 01:01:42,660
we're we're convinced I also think that

1502
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,280
you know the world and especially the

1503
01:01:48,289 --> 01:01:46,319
American population is desensitized to

1504
01:01:50,569 --> 01:01:48,299
this because it's been there in the

1505
01:01:52,910 --> 01:01:50,579
background their whole life yeah their

1506
01:01:54,650 --> 01:01:52,920
whole life there's been movies so we've

1507
01:01:56,569 --> 01:01:54,660
always known that it's there and when

1508
01:01:59,809 --> 01:01:56,579
you go to check up on it they say ah it

1509
01:02:03,170 --> 01:01:59,819
could be maybe it's not so I I think

1510
01:02:04,849 --> 01:02:03,180
people uh are really open to it but I

1511
01:02:07,069 --> 01:02:04,859
don't think they're ready to incorporate

1512
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:07,079
it as a part of the reality it's kind of

1513
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:08,400
like Santa Claus or something they're

1514
01:02:13,250 --> 01:02:11,280
like ah you know it could be well let's

1515
01:02:15,770 --> 01:02:13,260
say Santa Claus I'm saying it's

1516
01:02:17,329 --> 01:02:15,780
something that they put out as a as a

1517
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:17,339
possibility because it's been you know

1518
01:02:21,410 --> 01:02:19,200
it's a part of our culture

1519
01:02:23,569 --> 01:02:21,420
I personally think on an individual

1520
01:02:25,490 --> 01:02:23,579
level is what it takes I think that you

1521
01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:25,500
have to have individual initiative to be

1522
01:02:30,109 --> 01:02:28,200
curious enough uh and then you go out on

1523
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:30,119
your journey and you find out something

1524
01:02:35,150 --> 01:02:31,920
that's side effects that satisfies you

1525
01:02:37,130 --> 01:02:35,160
that there's you know something Beyond

1526
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:37,140
uh but I don't think there's

1527
01:02:43,130 --> 01:02:40,740
yeah a one way to to do it unfortunately

1528
01:02:45,289 --> 01:02:43,140
I think that's awesome sorry galvanized

1529
01:02:47,049 --> 01:02:45,299
on an individual level you know like

1530
01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:47,059
that that's that's a pretty cool thought

1531
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:49,859
and that that's how we're doing it right

1532
01:02:55,970 --> 01:02:53,280
but but what what Tom is asking about is

1533
01:02:59,569 --> 01:02:55,980
mass acceptance and for Mass acceptance

1534
01:03:01,370 --> 01:02:59,579
you're going to need a mass event so the

1535
01:03:03,770 --> 01:03:01,380
White House Long thing forget about the

1536
01:03:05,930 --> 01:03:03,780
location the location could be a parking

1537
01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:05,940
lot in Des Moines a Walmart parking lot

1538
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:08,700
the what it what it's going to take is

1539
01:03:14,210 --> 01:03:11,520
where all the news cameras are trained

1540
01:03:16,609 --> 01:03:14,220
on some sort of a craft hovering over a

1541
01:03:19,069 --> 01:03:16,619
City local affiliates have come out so

1542
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:19,079
no matter which channel you change your

1543
01:03:22,730 --> 01:03:20,640
you know your channel to whether you're

1544
01:03:24,829 --> 01:03:22,740
watching this cable news or that cable

1545
01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:24,839
news or this local news or that local

1546
01:03:30,109 --> 01:03:27,000
news you're going to see oh my God

1547
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:30,119
there's a craft hovering above a parking

1548
01:03:34,849 --> 01:03:33,119
lot in Des Moines that's when you in

1549
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:34,859
order to get Mass acceptance you need a

1550
01:03:38,809 --> 01:03:37,200
mass event and anything short of that

1551
01:03:41,569 --> 01:03:38,819
somebody's standing up on a Podium

1552
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:41,579
saying it is probably probably not going

1553
01:03:45,370 --> 01:03:43,260
to do it because not everybody even

1554
01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:45,380
watches the news or watch a C-SPAN even

1555
01:03:50,089 --> 01:03:48,660
so or would or is going to say well I

1556
01:03:51,770 --> 01:03:50,099
don't trust that government because it's

1557
01:03:54,049 --> 01:03:51,780
that Administration and at the

1558
01:03:56,569 --> 01:03:54,059
administration I like so there's that

1559
01:03:57,950 --> 01:03:56,579
that's that's my thought on that but I

1560
01:04:00,589 --> 01:03:57,960
wanted to get that's good two others

1561
01:04:02,270 --> 01:04:00,599
yeah two other things that that and then

1562
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:02,280
we got to get to Leah Primetime that

1563
01:04:09,770 --> 01:04:05,760
that um uh relate to what Tom said

1564
01:04:12,770 --> 01:04:09,780
earlier about what's within that's gonna

1565
01:04:14,450 --> 01:04:12,780
enable you to have an experience and

1566
01:04:17,030 --> 01:04:14,460
related to Bigfoot I'm very excited

1567
01:04:19,609 --> 01:04:17,040
about this guy coming on named Terry

1568
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:19,619
Windell from Rock Hill Bigfoot in South

1569
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:20,640
Carolina

1570
01:04:26,750 --> 01:04:24,000
and when he went on his first expedition

1571
01:04:28,370 --> 01:04:26,760
he broke away from the group at night to

1572
01:04:31,309 --> 01:04:28,380
go to an area where they were picking up

1573
01:04:33,890 --> 01:04:31,319
trash from loser campers who will leave

1574
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,900
their litter in the woods and he and

1575
01:04:38,030 --> 01:04:35,760
this woman went back to that area where

1576
01:04:40,670 --> 01:04:38,040
they were picking up trash and bagging

1577
01:04:43,549 --> 01:04:40,680
it and this Native American woman said

1578
01:04:44,990 --> 01:04:43,559
so you wanna uh you want to see them

1579
01:04:47,210 --> 01:04:45,000
because they're here

1580
01:04:49,490 --> 01:04:47,220
right right in that wood line so she

1581
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:49,500
starts talking to them and I don't know

1582
01:04:53,150 --> 01:04:51,599
if they're making noises or whatever and

1583
01:04:54,589 --> 01:04:53,160
he goes I don't see them how do you see

1584
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:54,599
them she goes you're not supposed to see

1585
01:04:59,690 --> 01:04:56,640
them yet but go ahead and introduce

1586
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:59,700
yourself so he introduces himself to his

1587
01:05:04,010 --> 01:05:01,920
hi my name's Terry

1588
01:05:06,589 --> 01:05:04,020
um I'm really happy to be here I'm not

1589
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,599
here to invade your space I'm not here

1590
01:05:11,569 --> 01:05:08,880
to cause you any harm I'm just really

1591
01:05:14,270 --> 01:05:11,579
interested in your the way that you live

1592
01:05:15,770 --> 01:05:14,280
and the way that you go about surviving

1593
01:05:18,410 --> 01:05:15,780
in the forest and just want to learn

1594
01:05:21,049 --> 01:05:18,420
about you and so they leave and they go

1595
01:05:23,030 --> 01:05:21,059
back to their tents and that night he

1596
01:05:25,370 --> 01:05:23,040
feels something push into the fabric of

1597
01:05:27,710 --> 01:05:25,380
his tent and touch him with a big finger

1598
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:27,720
he had one man tent so one man tent you

1599
01:05:31,010 --> 01:05:29,760
know you're not far away from the fabric

1600
01:05:32,510 --> 01:05:31,020
no matter where you're laying in that's

1601
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:32,520
it

1602
01:05:36,049 --> 01:05:34,319
um and he was just like oh my God buddy

1603
01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:36,059
hurts

1604
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,220
and you can see my camera shaking here

1605
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,799
as it was walking up to his tent so he

1606
01:05:46,609 --> 01:05:43,200
kind of knew what was out there

1607
01:05:48,890 --> 01:05:46,619
um anyway so it's within you know are

1608
01:05:52,250 --> 01:05:48,900
you ready to have an experience you know

1609
01:05:54,530 --> 01:05:52,260
uh I wanna I did have a sighting when I

1610
01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:54,540
was when I was a kid and I haven't had

1611
01:05:59,690 --> 01:05:57,000
anything since then Nathan hasn't had a

1612
01:06:01,789 --> 01:05:59,700
sighting so are we going to have a

1613
01:06:04,970 --> 01:06:01,799
sighting can we manifest that and the

1614
01:06:06,670 --> 01:06:04,980
only thing I think of here uh thank you

1615
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:06,680
Delta and welcome

1616
01:06:12,890 --> 01:06:10,079
uh for uh joining in and uh giving

1617
01:06:15,770 --> 01:06:12,900
giving some love for our friend Corey

1618
01:06:18,970 --> 01:06:15,780
I wrote The Journey to within never ends

1619
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:18,980
it is not to manifest a specific event

1620
01:06:25,250 --> 01:06:22,440
so we're constantly trying to evolve and

1621
01:06:28,490 --> 01:06:25,260
to evolve but I don't think we can

1622
01:06:30,770 --> 01:06:28,500
evolve to create an event now obviously

1623
01:06:32,750 --> 01:06:30,780
James idoli has a protocol where he can

1624
01:06:35,150 --> 01:06:32,760
make an event happen but it's a

1625
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:35,160
collective it's a collective thing right

1626
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:39,119
the ce5 protocol but I think if we just

1627
01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:40,799
keep looking to evolve the way that

1628
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:43,740
Corey was talking about within and just

1629
01:06:50,029 --> 01:06:46,559
keep improving our understanding of

1630
01:06:53,089 --> 01:06:50,039
other humans and how they see things and

1631
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:53,099
try to be empathetic to uh how they're

1632
01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:54,480
dealing with the world and what's

1633
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:55,980
happened in their life and in their

1634
01:07:00,529 --> 01:06:58,079
experience is the most we can do and

1635
01:07:02,569 --> 01:07:00,539
then if an event happens it happens but

1636
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,579
I'm not sure we can manifest a specific

1637
01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:04,319
event and with that let me go to

1638
01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:06,180
primetime

1639
01:07:10,250 --> 01:07:08,940
yeah sure so one of my questions for you

1640
01:07:12,049 --> 01:07:10,260
is something I like to ask everyone

1641
01:07:14,029 --> 01:07:12,059
who's on this kind of Journey of

1642
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:14,039
exploration and discovery

1643
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:15,599
which is if you could talk a little bit

1644
01:07:21,950 --> 01:07:17,760
how about how your views and ideas have

1645
01:07:25,069 --> 01:07:24,349
um you know tremendously

1646
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:25,079
um

1647
01:07:28,910 --> 01:07:27,359
it's I would say it's maybe it's maybe

1648
01:07:31,490 --> 01:07:28,920
more human

1649
01:07:34,609 --> 01:07:31,500
um because the the phenomena studying

1650
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:34,619
the phenomena has forced uh me as it

1651
01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:38,400
probably does a lot of people to uh to

1652
01:07:41,809 --> 01:07:40,500
walk away from you know a lot of you

1653
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:41,819
know our you know if we have you know

1654
01:07:46,370 --> 01:07:45,599
fundamental fundamentalistic beliefs

1655
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,380
um

1656
01:07:50,690 --> 01:07:48,720
you know if

1657
01:07:54,650 --> 01:07:50,700
yeah it made a force for you to kind of

1658
01:07:57,470 --> 01:07:54,660
reframe how you how you see the world

1659
01:07:58,490 --> 01:07:57,480
um it so I guess in shortest made me a

1660
01:08:01,490 --> 01:07:58,500
better person

1661
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:01,500
I researched this to the point to where

1662
01:08:06,109 --> 01:08:03,599
I realized the only thing that I could

1663
01:08:07,309 --> 01:08:06,119
truly do is to be a better person in the

1664
01:08:09,529 --> 01:08:07,319
Here and Now

1665
01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:09,539
uh that that's that's kind of like about

1666
01:08:14,089 --> 01:08:11,940
that's what my takeaway is and I love

1667
01:08:14,690 --> 01:08:14,099
researching it but

1668
01:08:16,669 --> 01:08:14,700
um

1669
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:16,679
every chance that I get to have an

1670
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:19,679
interaction with another person you know

1671
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:20,880
that's

1672
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:25,440
moment for me

1673
01:08:30,050 --> 01:08:26,880
um so I don't know if that you know

1674
01:08:32,150 --> 01:08:30,060
answers your question but uh as a part

1675
01:08:35,090 --> 01:08:32,160
of like the Awakening process yeah I've

1676
01:08:36,590 --> 01:08:35,100
I found so much more studying this you

1677
01:08:39,769 --> 01:08:36,600
know more than like nuts and bolts I

1678
01:08:42,289 --> 01:08:39,779
found out that you know again we are we

1679
01:08:44,749 --> 01:08:42,299
are uh creative and uh you start having

1680
01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:44,759
synchronicities with people and those

1681
01:08:48,650 --> 01:08:46,920
are kind of hard uh those are kind of

1682
01:08:50,329 --> 01:08:48,660
hard to understand if you're you can

1683
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:50,339
have this materialistic way of seeing

1684
01:08:55,130 --> 01:08:52,500
the universe it really it's confounding

1685
01:08:56,510 --> 01:08:55,140
like how does how do these things happen

1686
01:08:59,209 --> 01:08:56,520
so once you have some of those

1687
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:59,219
experiences yeah it forces you to

1688
01:09:03,169 --> 01:09:01,199
um step outside of your comfort zone a

1689
01:09:05,329 --> 01:09:03,179
little bit and you don't see yourself as

1690
01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:05,339
you know as a black guy or as an

1691
01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:07,020
American you're like all right I'm a

1692
01:09:11,390 --> 01:09:08,940
bean with the other bunch of beings

1693
01:09:13,309 --> 01:09:11,400
having a conscious experience you know

1694
01:09:15,169 --> 01:09:13,319
and I don't want to have anything to do

1695
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:15,179
with them having a bad conscious

1696
01:09:20,150 --> 01:09:18,000
experience you know so

1697
01:09:20,990 --> 01:09:20,160
um yeah so that's that's how it's helped

1698
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,000
me

1699
01:09:25,010 --> 01:09:23,279
it's such a beautiful answer like Corey

1700
01:09:26,749 --> 01:09:25,020
every time you're you're giving a

1701
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:26,759
response on this show and thinking like

1702
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:27,900
this is

1703
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,000
like you were such an inspiration for me

1704
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:31,920
last summer because I saw you as just

1705
01:09:36,169 --> 01:09:33,600
this emblem of really good faith

1706
01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:36,179
conversation and also someone that

1707
01:09:41,209 --> 01:09:39,000
rather than prescriptively answering

1708
01:09:43,309 --> 01:09:41,219
people's questions just did the humans

1709
01:09:45,950 --> 01:09:43,319
work of sharing resources and sharing

1710
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:45,960
materials to provide people like their

1711
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,960
own path to navigate I just like I just

1712
01:09:53,870 --> 01:09:50,400
I feel like every answer you're giving

1713
01:09:56,930 --> 01:09:53,880
is my respect and uh affection for you

1714
01:09:59,150 --> 01:09:56,940
just grows it's awesome oh thanks Leia

1715
01:10:00,410 --> 01:09:59,160
that means am I saying and I'm saying it

1716
01:10:02,030 --> 01:10:00,420
late and my wife was like I think her

1717
01:10:05,090 --> 01:10:02,040
name's Leah so I was telling you oh yeah

1718
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:05,100
it's Leah but honestly like I just I

1719
01:10:08,810 --> 01:10:06,960
like gloss right over it because it's so

1720
01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:08,820
common that people call me Leia I'm just

1721
01:10:12,770 --> 01:10:10,920
like yeah like we're all friends it

1722
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:12,780
sounds cool yeah a few different

1723
01:10:17,570 --> 01:10:15,360
princesses Star Wars you can claim Star

1724
01:10:19,330 --> 01:10:17,580
Wars I have never heard this before Oh

1725
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,340
my God

1726
01:10:25,570 --> 01:10:21,840
first time lunch time let's go to

1727
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:25,580
estimate of the situation shut up

1728
01:10:31,550 --> 01:10:29,280
uh well one thing about uh meeting Corey

1729
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,560
in person is like he's a hulking figure

1730
01:10:36,110 --> 01:10:34,320
so you kind of walk up to him like oh

1731
01:10:37,310 --> 01:10:36,120
man like you know he's a little

1732
01:10:38,990 --> 01:10:37,320
intimidating but then like once you

1733
01:10:41,570 --> 01:10:39,000
start talking it's it's actually pretty

1734
01:10:43,970 --> 01:10:41,580
down to earth and you know I I know you

1735
01:10:47,090 --> 01:10:43,980
have a background in the military right

1736
01:10:48,890 --> 01:10:47,100
uh can you talk about that and how that

1737
01:10:51,050 --> 01:10:48,900
shaped your perspective on the

1738
01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:51,060
phenomenon like itself like I know

1739
01:10:56,689 --> 01:10:53,580
you're talking about it earlier how this

1740
01:10:58,250 --> 01:10:56,699
might look like a certain way because of

1741
01:11:00,290 --> 01:10:58,260
that background and like I would love to

1742
01:11:03,470 --> 01:11:00,300
just hear more about that

1743
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:03,480
yeah so I had research I read so many

1744
01:11:07,010 --> 01:11:05,520
UFO books I remember I was doing my

1745
01:11:08,750 --> 01:11:07,020
security clearance I was like no way

1746
01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:08,760
they're going to give me a clearance man

1747
01:11:13,550 --> 01:11:11,580
because I'm like this guy this guy is

1748
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:13,560
such a conspiracy nut you know we're not

1749
01:11:16,430 --> 01:11:14,880
gonna let him in the military so I

1750
01:11:18,649 --> 01:11:16,440
remember like telling friends like hey

1751
01:11:20,030 --> 01:11:18,659
man like don't tell them like I'm like a

1752
01:11:23,570 --> 01:11:20,040
UFO on that man they're gonna think I'm

1753
01:11:25,370 --> 01:11:23,580
crazy so what really uh surprised me so

1754
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:25,380
I get in the military you know my first

1755
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,080
assignment was with f-16s and Masala

1756
01:11:32,030 --> 01:11:30,719
Japan and um you know I'm just a young

1757
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:32,040
Airman so it's not something you ever

1758
01:11:37,370 --> 01:11:35,280
bring up I I was with a major one day

1759
01:11:40,250 --> 01:11:37,380
and I was sitting at the operations desk

1760
01:11:42,050 --> 01:11:40,260
with them we were launching f-16s and I

1761
01:11:44,450 --> 01:11:42,060
knew that he flew the F-117 out of

1762
01:11:47,209 --> 01:11:44,460
tonopop and I knew he flew when it was

1763
01:11:49,310 --> 01:11:47,219
black right so um and he would talk

1764
01:11:50,689 --> 01:11:49,320
about you know flying out to Tonopah and

1765
01:11:52,490 --> 01:11:50,699
being out there for a week and not

1766
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,500
telling his family they just flying this

1767
01:11:56,450 --> 01:11:54,480
you know stealth crap and I said so what

1768
01:12:00,110 --> 01:11:56,460
do you think about Roswell major

1769
01:12:01,310 --> 01:12:00,120
and uh he he kind of got red and he

1770
01:12:03,229 --> 01:12:01,320
turned toward me and he's like they told

1771
01:12:04,669 --> 01:12:03,239
us what happened they told us and I said

1772
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:04,679
well what did they tell us it was a

1773
01:12:08,570 --> 01:12:07,080
weather balloon and then he you know

1774
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:08,580
went back to his PC and I was like oh

1775
01:12:13,550 --> 01:12:10,860
well he got he got the briefing

1776
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,560
um not to talk about certain things

1777
01:12:18,530 --> 01:12:15,840
during my whole time in military I never

1778
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,540
saw anything that led me to believe that

1779
01:12:22,729 --> 01:12:20,880
there were UFOs or aliens or that

1780
01:12:25,070 --> 01:12:22,739
anybody was trying to hide anything at

1781
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:25,080
all uh outside of you know some of the

1782
01:12:29,630 --> 01:12:26,880
programs that were read into which you

1783
01:12:32,270 --> 01:12:29,640
know which you know uh you know keep

1784
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:32,280
this keep our country safe so that was

1785
01:12:37,070 --> 01:12:35,280
surprising to me and I never got nobody

1786
01:12:39,169 --> 01:12:37,080
ever sat me down and said don't talk

1787
01:12:42,770 --> 01:12:39,179
about UFOs or if you see a UFO don't

1788
01:12:44,990 --> 01:12:42,780
report it so there was like no protocols

1789
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:45,000
um when I went to get my top secret

1790
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:46,800
clearance I really thought they were

1791
01:12:49,729 --> 01:12:48,000
gonna you know come down on me because

1792
01:12:51,290 --> 01:12:49,739
that's when they look more granular into

1793
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,300
your background

1794
01:12:54,649 --> 01:12:53,040
um but no it you know it never it never

1795
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:54,659
came up

1796
01:12:59,930 --> 01:12:57,600
um as uh as a topic

1797
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:59,940
and that led me to believe that they

1798
01:13:03,169 --> 01:13:01,199
were really good at what they do because

1799
01:13:04,910 --> 01:13:03,179
I know there was a reality to it so I

1800
01:13:06,770 --> 01:13:04,920
said that you know this must be

1801
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:06,780
absolutely separate from the regular Air

1802
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:10,560
Force and you know probably my rank and

1803
01:13:13,610 --> 01:13:12,239
file you know we're in the regular Air

1804
01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:13,620
Force doesn't have anything to do with

1805
01:13:16,010 --> 01:13:14,760
it so if you ask them they're probably

1806
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:16,020
telling you the truth there's nothing to

1807
01:13:21,410 --> 01:13:17,040
see

1808
01:13:24,530 --> 01:13:21,420
these events uh around the world like

1809
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,540
over the last like 75 years or so do you

1810
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:27,120
have like a specific lens at which you

1811
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:28,920
view it as like oh this might be what

1812
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:31,440
they're doing or this might be what like

1813
01:13:37,070 --> 01:13:34,380
a reconnaissance mission or is it beyond

1814
01:13:39,890 --> 01:13:37,080
all of that you know like yeah that's

1815
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:39,900
yeah I just based on what I've read I do

1816
01:13:45,229 --> 01:13:43,199
think that there is uh there's there's a

1817
01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:45,239
team yeah there's there's a team of

1818
01:13:50,510 --> 01:13:47,460
professionals who probably deploy deploy

1819
01:13:53,209 --> 01:13:50,520
globally uh to mitigate these things

1820
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:53,219
whether it's somebody saw a UFO sighting

1821
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:55,380
and they want you to think that you saw

1822
01:14:01,010 --> 01:13:57,480
a military you know helicopter so now

1823
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:01,020
they go fly a bunch of helicopters uh or

1824
01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:03,120
there could be operations where they

1825
01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:04,920
want people for whatever reason to think

1826
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:07,320
that they did see a UFO and maybe they

1827
01:14:10,970 --> 01:14:08,880
do that too

1828
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:10,980
so I think there's a lot of operations

1829
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:13,440
that we're not aware of that are

1830
01:14:18,410 --> 01:14:15,840
designed to uh

1831
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:18,420
um control our perceptions you know like

1832
01:14:22,910 --> 01:14:21,360
uh we've been socially engineered if you

1833
01:14:25,450 --> 01:14:22,920
will and I also think that there's a

1834
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,460
long you know a long-term

1835
01:14:29,810 --> 01:14:27,360
acclimatization program that's been

1836
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:29,820
going on you know probably since you

1837
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:31,920
know The Day the Earth should still uh

1838
01:14:35,149 --> 01:14:33,600
came out you can go back to that movie

1839
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:35,159
and still some of the things that we're

1840
01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:36,960
talking about today you'll find in that

1841
01:14:41,149 --> 01:14:37,800
film

1842
01:14:43,550 --> 01:14:41,159
so yeah I think there's a big

1843
01:14:45,470 --> 01:14:43,560
and there's a big charade kind of kind

1844
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,480
of going on if you will I think there

1845
01:14:48,530 --> 01:14:47,280
are a lot of people who do know exactly

1846
01:14:53,689 --> 01:14:48,540
what's going on in this part of their

1847
01:14:57,950 --> 01:14:56,570
oh sorry I was going to say

1848
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:57,960
um

1849
01:15:02,930 --> 01:14:59,280
from my

1850
01:15:05,570 --> 01:15:02,940
perspective I had 4 000 hours of flying

1851
01:15:07,610 --> 01:15:05,580
and never saw a thing uh on three

1852
01:15:09,470 --> 01:15:07,620
different continents you know with the

1853
01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:09,480
Air Force and never saw anything other

1854
01:15:15,229 --> 01:15:11,880
than my sighting when I was like 15 14

1855
01:15:18,649 --> 01:15:15,239
or 15 years old I think it was

1856
01:15:20,330 --> 01:15:18,659
the beginning of 10th grade so from that

1857
01:15:22,430 --> 01:15:20,340
for a second the other thing that Tom

1858
01:15:23,930 --> 01:15:22,440
asked about how it shapes you one of the

1859
01:15:26,450 --> 01:15:23,940
things I like about being part of this

1860
01:15:29,330 --> 01:15:26,460
community is that

1861
01:15:32,090 --> 01:15:29,340
to be part of the Air Force you have to

1862
01:15:34,510 --> 01:15:32,100
really harden yourself emotionally you

1863
01:15:37,729 --> 01:15:34,520
can't be somebody that is going to cry

1864
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:37,739
at something that you see you might be

1865
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:40,500
overseas and see starving animals you

1866
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:42,719
may be you see a lot of things that you

1867
01:15:47,090 --> 01:15:43,920
don't want to see you may see dead

1868
01:15:48,290 --> 01:15:47,100
people in some cases you may be part of

1869
01:15:50,750 --> 01:15:48,300
a gunship

1870
01:15:53,870 --> 01:15:50,760
crew that makes people dead

1871
01:15:57,890 --> 01:15:55,430
I love coming in this community because

1872
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:57,900
I can open up now and I can feel these

1873
01:16:03,169 --> 01:16:00,000
emotions and see people who are

1874
01:16:05,390 --> 01:16:03,179
struggling with everyday things and now

1875
01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:05,400
be open to that where I wouldn't have

1876
01:16:09,649 --> 01:16:07,860
been opened I don't think during

1877
01:16:12,290 --> 01:16:09,659
uh during the course of my career

1878
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,300
because it's not it's not healthy for

1879
01:16:17,090 --> 01:16:14,159
you to be that way you have to be able

1880
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:17,100
to toughen up in order to do that job

1881
01:16:21,890 --> 01:16:19,199
the other thing about disclosure I would

1882
01:16:24,350 --> 01:16:21,900
say is that um I'll repeat kind of what

1883
01:16:27,649 --> 01:16:24,360
Jim semivan said they certainly know

1884
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:27,659
more than what we know meaning the USG

1885
01:16:32,090 --> 01:16:30,480
but they don't know everything and the

1886
01:16:34,370 --> 01:16:32,100
conundrum for them

1887
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:34,380
as he said and if you want to listen to

1888
01:16:38,510 --> 01:16:37,020
a great interview and and I'm not

1889
01:16:40,850 --> 01:16:38,520
somebody who's always promoting cab

1890
01:16:42,890 --> 01:16:40,860
stuff I think Stuart Davis's interview

1891
01:16:46,010 --> 01:16:42,900
with Jim semivan was even better than

1892
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:46,020
our interview with Jim some event uh and

1893
01:16:48,830 --> 01:16:47,520
I thought we did a great interview but I

1894
01:16:52,610 --> 01:16:48,840
thought his was better

1895
01:16:54,290 --> 01:16:52,620
and he said they're at a loss to be able

1896
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:54,300
to explain something that they don't

1897
01:16:58,669 --> 01:16:55,679
understand

1898
01:17:01,970 --> 01:16:58,679
because as a as a person who's

1899
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:01,980
responsible whether you own a store and

1900
01:17:06,229 --> 01:17:03,840
somebody a customer comes up and asks

1901
01:17:07,790 --> 01:17:06,239
you what's going on in your store and

1902
01:17:09,050 --> 01:17:07,800
you you can't explain to them what's

1903
01:17:10,370 --> 01:17:09,060
going on they're like you don't even

1904
01:17:12,350 --> 01:17:10,380
know what's going on in your own store

1905
01:17:14,450 --> 01:17:12,360
I'm not in it I don't need to shop here

1906
01:17:16,970 --> 01:17:14,460
from their perspective

1907
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,980
it's very and not that's not to say I

1908
01:17:20,290 --> 01:17:18,239
agree with

1909
01:17:23,570 --> 01:17:20,300
ruining people's careers

1910
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:23,580
lying with threatening people with

1911
01:17:28,130 --> 01:17:25,380
intimidating people with making

1912
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:28,140
experiments on people that are immoral

1913
01:17:32,510 --> 01:17:30,719
with all these different things that we

1914
01:17:34,189 --> 01:17:32,520
all know everybody on this panel knows

1915
01:17:37,130 --> 01:17:34,199
that have happened so that's not

1916
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,140
excusing or saying I agree with that but

1917
01:17:40,250 --> 01:17:39,120
understanding and agreeing are two

1918
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:40,260
different things

1919
01:17:44,330 --> 01:17:42,719
and for them it's very difficult for

1920
01:17:46,490 --> 01:17:44,340
them to say yes we know there's

1921
01:17:49,250 --> 01:17:46,500
something out there we don't control it

1922
01:17:51,410 --> 01:17:49,260
we can't control it it can outfly us

1923
01:17:55,250 --> 01:17:51,420
that's not something you stand up on a

1924
01:17:57,530 --> 01:17:55,260
Podium as somebody who asserts dominion

1925
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,540
over the Skies of the United States and

1926
01:18:01,490 --> 01:17:59,520
in fact globally if necessary you don't

1927
01:18:03,410 --> 01:18:01,500
you don't make that statement because it

1928
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:03,420
makes you look inept it makes you look

1929
01:18:07,970 --> 01:18:05,760
weak and the Russians would Feast on

1930
01:18:11,630 --> 01:18:07,980
that as with the Chinese

1931
01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:11,640
that's very well said well said I agree

1932
01:18:19,250 --> 01:18:16,440
so I wanted to ask you if you think your

1933
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:19,260
Heroes which I can identify are of

1934
01:18:25,070 --> 01:18:21,600
course John keel

1935
01:18:27,770 --> 01:18:25,080
Jack fully chocolate and then Charles

1936
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,780
Fort are going to be validated in the

1937
01:18:31,729 --> 01:18:29,760
future if you think we're on the path of

1938
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:31,739
validating these people that have been

1939
01:18:37,370 --> 01:18:34,920
keeping track of this ex small

1940
01:18:40,010 --> 01:18:37,380
phenomenon

1941
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:40,020
yeah yes I do I think they're going to

1942
01:18:45,410 --> 01:18:43,440
be about uh validated and I think a lot

1943
01:18:47,330 --> 01:18:45,420
of researchers you know uh you get the

1944
01:18:50,270 --> 01:18:47,340
you know Grant Cameron in there you know

1945
01:18:54,530 --> 01:18:50,280
Richard Dolan but specifically Keel and

1946
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:54,540
valet because they they really uh

1947
01:18:59,930 --> 01:18:57,600
you know ballet for a long time the UFC

1948
01:19:02,030 --> 01:18:59,940
Community was really upset with him

1949
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:02,040
because they wanted uh you know a nuts

1950
01:19:05,870 --> 01:19:03,900
and bolts approach to aliens and what

1951
01:19:09,169 --> 01:19:05,880
planet are they coming from and valet

1952
01:19:12,169 --> 01:19:09,179
you know was talking about you know uh

1953
01:19:15,050 --> 01:19:12,179
multiple dimensions and uh crypto

1954
01:19:16,669 --> 01:19:15,060
terrestrials and ultra-terrestrials uh

1955
01:19:19,310 --> 01:19:16,679
just like John Keel was talking about

1956
01:19:21,890 --> 01:19:19,320
the super super Spectrum which is this

1957
01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:21,900
you know this field of of energy that

1958
01:19:28,010 --> 01:19:25,800
we're kind of swimming in so uh ten

1959
01:19:30,590 --> 01:19:28,020
years ago not I would say less than half

1960
01:19:33,290 --> 01:19:30,600
of the community really had made their

1961
01:19:36,110 --> 01:19:33,300
way to Consciousness and now I see on

1962
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:36,120
UFO Twitter it's pretty uh ubiquitous

1963
01:19:41,330 --> 01:19:38,520
everyone knows that there's something

1964
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:41,340
that uh that that that's fundamental at

1965
01:19:45,410 --> 01:19:42,719
the conscious level that's connected to

1966
01:19:47,930 --> 01:19:45,420
UFOs so I think that uh they're yeah

1967
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:47,940
they're being validated uh more and more

1968
01:19:53,450 --> 01:19:50,159
not that they had the answers but I

1969
01:19:56,030 --> 01:19:53,460
think that they were probably closest uh

1970
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:56,040
to trying to describe you know what this

1971
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:58,560
what this might be

1972
01:20:04,430 --> 01:20:00,960
and we got 10 minutes to wrap it up so

1973
01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:04,440
let's go with Liam prime time

1974
01:20:08,090 --> 01:20:05,820
awesome

1975
01:20:10,610 --> 01:20:08,100
um so I I'm gonna ask another question

1976
01:20:14,270 --> 01:20:10,620
which is if there are any particular

1977
01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:14,280
cases or subjects that you keep coming

1978
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:16,620
back to that have continued to Captivate

1979
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:18,000
you over time

1980
01:20:22,610 --> 01:20:20,400
oh really good question

1981
01:20:24,530 --> 01:20:22,620
um definitely the Nazis you know what

1982
01:20:26,570 --> 01:20:24,540
happened to the Nazis after World War II

1983
01:20:29,330 --> 01:20:26,580
you know I'm a big fan of uh Peter

1984
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:29,340
lavender and uh you know Joseph Farrow

1985
01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:30,960
has written a lot of good books so

1986
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:33,540
there's no question it's amazing who's

1987
01:20:40,130 --> 01:20:36,960
that lavinda lavender yeah gosh yeah

1988
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:40,140
Sinister forces which really ties he's a

1989
01:20:43,310 --> 01:20:41,040
real one

1990
01:20:45,050 --> 01:20:43,320
yeah I mean I think he went to Bobby

1991
01:20:47,090 --> 01:20:45,060
Kennedy's funeral when he was like a kid

1992
01:20:50,510 --> 01:20:47,100
he dressed up as a bishop and snuck into

1993
01:20:53,470 --> 01:20:50,520
the to the to the the church

1994
01:20:57,770 --> 01:20:53,480
um wow

1995
01:21:00,050 --> 01:20:57,780
uh what was the question again

1996
01:21:04,970 --> 01:21:00,060
oh good the question was whether or

1997
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:07,250
can you know enthrall you basically so

1998
01:21:11,689 --> 01:21:09,600
definitely the Nazis definitely what was

1999
01:21:13,310 --> 01:21:11,699
going on with the occult you know the

2000
01:21:16,250 --> 01:21:13,320
the different occult side he's you know

2001
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:16,260
theosophy uh the fool Society you know

2002
01:21:21,950 --> 01:21:18,960
Aleister Crowley

2003
01:21:24,290 --> 01:21:21,960
um you know the The Babylon you know

2004
01:21:25,610 --> 01:21:24,300
ritual uh that they did out in the

2005
01:21:26,270 --> 01:21:25,620
desert

2006
01:21:28,490 --> 01:21:26,280
um

2007
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:28,500
some of our programs you know what kind

2008
01:21:34,370 --> 01:21:31,260
of programs did the US government you

2009
01:21:37,790 --> 01:21:34,380
know put in the place to uh to mitigate

2010
01:21:41,209 --> 01:21:37,800
you know the effects of the phenomenon

2011
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:41,219
um so MK Ultra you know comes to mind

2012
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:42,480
um

2013
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,159
and then I would say one of my favorite

2014
01:21:48,890 --> 01:21:46,560
UFO case itself is probably aligning

2015
01:21:52,250 --> 01:21:48,900
with Lonnie Zamora so this is out in I

2016
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:52,260
think 1965 and Socorro New Mexico it was

2017
01:21:56,330 --> 01:21:54,000
it was a it's just a really credible

2018
01:21:59,450 --> 01:21:56,340
case uh you know we have a credible

2019
01:22:01,250 --> 01:21:59,460
eyewitness you have ground traces uh you

2020
01:22:04,430 --> 01:22:01,260
have the Air Force is on site you know

2021
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:04,440
within 20 30 minutes you have pictures

2022
01:22:10,910 --> 01:22:07,199
um it's not far it wasn't far from the

2023
01:22:12,649 --> 01:22:10,920
White Sands Missile Range so it was a

2024
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,659
great case and I'm interested in it

2025
01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:14,400
because I think it could have been an

2026
01:22:19,490 --> 01:22:16,620
experimental aircraft

2027
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:19,500
um just uh or the the aliens were trying

2028
01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:21,360
to they missed their landing spot at

2029
01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:23,820
White Sands but uh no it's a very

2030
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:25,320
interesting case that's hopefully one

2031
01:22:31,070 --> 01:22:29,040
day we we find out you know what um what

2032
01:22:33,649 --> 01:22:31,080
he saw you know if it was an experiment

2033
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:33,659
on a craft or if it was uh something

2034
01:22:38,090 --> 01:22:36,239
outside

2035
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:38,100
yeah it's interesting because what they

2036
01:22:44,030 --> 01:22:40,320
described it doesn't the propulsion

2037
01:22:47,450 --> 01:22:44,040
system doesn't sound like uh doesn't

2038
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,460
sound like uh what we know to be the

2039
01:22:51,890 --> 01:22:49,679
kind of tech that doesn't emit you know

2040
01:22:53,450 --> 01:22:51,900
IR light that doesn't have thermodynamic

2041
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:53,460
properties that we can visually see

2042
01:23:00,530 --> 01:22:56,880
however applying something that looks

2043
01:23:02,270 --> 01:23:00,540
like a saucer is much much more

2044
01:23:04,430 --> 01:23:02,280
difficult from an aerodynamic because

2045
01:23:05,930 --> 01:23:04,440
now we're talking about an aircraft and

2046
01:23:08,510 --> 01:23:05,940
when we talk about something like a Tic

2047
01:23:10,430 --> 01:23:08,520
Tac or we talk about uh the what Ryan

2048
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:10,440
Graves saw we're not talking about an

2049
01:23:15,050 --> 01:23:12,719
aircraft because it doesn't require

2050
01:23:17,570 --> 01:23:15,060
interaction with the air to operate

2051
01:23:20,090 --> 01:23:17,580
meaning it doesn't need ailerons and

2052
01:23:23,930 --> 01:23:20,100
Rudders and elevators to go up and down

2053
01:23:25,850 --> 01:23:23,940
and so to fly a craft like that that

2054
01:23:28,490 --> 01:23:25,860
would be saucer shape which is what he

2055
01:23:30,050 --> 01:23:28,500
described a Round Disc it would it's

2056
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,060
kind of like would take like a

2057
01:23:34,610 --> 01:23:32,400
propulsion system like a Harrier jet it

2058
01:23:36,770 --> 01:23:34,620
would be very noisy you would see jet

2059
01:23:38,270 --> 01:23:36,780
blasts coming down and the amount of

2060
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,280
fuel that you would use to move

2061
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:40,320
something like that people don't

2062
01:23:44,270 --> 01:23:42,000
understand how much energy it takes to

2063
01:23:47,390 --> 01:23:44,280
hover a helicopter well if you're going

2064
01:23:49,850 --> 01:23:47,400
to do that from White Sands to scoro or

2065
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,860
even Albuquerque to Socorro men it's

2066
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:51,360
going to be a flying gas tank I don't

2067
01:23:55,010 --> 01:23:52,320
know if there's going to be any room for

2068
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:55,020
anybody inside knowing that these

2069
01:24:00,290 --> 01:23:58,080
engines are using you know uh you know

2070
01:24:02,149 --> 01:24:00,300
five thousand pounds an hour of gas or

2071
01:24:05,149 --> 01:24:02,159
something like that you know so anyway

2072
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,159
uh you know I was gonna say I'm sorry go

2073
01:24:08,510 --> 01:24:07,199
ahead no go ahead go ahead I was gonna

2074
01:24:10,490 --> 01:24:08,520
say I remember when I was in the

2075
01:24:12,649 --> 01:24:10,500
military they told me it was like 6 500

2076
01:24:14,510 --> 01:24:12,659
an hour in gas just to fly it you know

2077
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:14,520
an F-16

2078
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:16,320
um but back to the Sapporo they're

2079
01:24:20,930 --> 01:24:18,480
actually there actually was

2080
01:24:23,209 --> 01:24:20,940
um uh a crater a blast like a small

2081
01:24:26,450 --> 01:24:23,219
blast yeah so when that craft took off

2082
01:24:29,689 --> 01:24:26,460
uh so it did seem like sort of a hybrid

2083
01:24:31,610 --> 01:24:29,699
craft and um I am in the school that I

2084
01:24:33,950 --> 01:24:31,620
do take it for granted that we do have

2085
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:33,960
these Technologies I don't know how far

2086
01:24:38,090 --> 01:24:36,719
I Advanced but I think that is a big

2087
01:24:39,890 --> 01:24:38,100
part of the cover-up I absolutely do

2088
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:39,900
think that we have these Technologies if

2089
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:42,320
you go back to like T towns and brown

2090
01:24:43,490 --> 01:24:42,960
[Music]

2091
01:24:46,130 --> 01:24:43,500
um

2092
01:24:47,390 --> 01:24:46,140
uh I I think that they discovered some

2093
01:24:49,729 --> 01:24:47,400
of these

2094
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:49,739
um Technologies in the 20s 30s and 40s

2095
01:24:55,729 --> 01:24:53,520
and but they were so revolutionary

2096
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:55,739
uh how do you incorporate them into your

2097
01:25:00,169 --> 01:24:57,360
into the world

2098
01:25:02,270 --> 01:25:00,179
um navigating is another thing you know

2099
01:25:03,770 --> 01:25:02,280
you you hop on board a craft that is

2100
01:25:06,649 --> 01:25:03,780
made by some sort of a another

2101
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,659
intelligence okay how do we navigate you

2102
01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:08,400
know how do you you know how do you

2103
01:25:12,530 --> 01:25:10,860
modulate power in order to hover in

2104
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:12,540
order to take off in order to move

2105
01:25:16,610 --> 01:25:14,820
vertically there's a lot of things that

2106
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,620
we take for granted that you see in

2107
01:25:20,689 --> 01:25:18,960
aircraft do but if you board something

2108
01:25:22,669 --> 01:25:20,699
that was created by another intelligence

2109
01:25:24,590 --> 01:25:22,679
you have to understand how to direct it

2110
01:25:27,470 --> 01:25:24,600
to do these things how do you navigate

2111
01:25:31,490 --> 01:25:27,480
do they have Google Maps up there in you

2112
01:25:33,890 --> 01:25:31,500
know in 60 64. I mean I so there's just

2113
01:25:36,410 --> 01:25:33,900
there's a lot of things you go to 19

2114
01:25:38,270 --> 01:25:36,420
inquired so you're gonna now I'm getting

2115
01:25:40,970 --> 01:25:38,280
fired up so you go to 1980 you go to the

2116
01:25:44,090 --> 01:25:40,980
Cash Land room 1980 it was actually the

2117
01:25:46,370 --> 01:25:44,100
same month as rendersham forest and uh

2118
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:46,380
you know that was it Vicki Landrum uh

2119
01:25:52,010 --> 01:25:49,920
you know coldly and Betty cash they saw

2120
01:25:53,810 --> 01:25:52,020
a craft it was diamond shaped it did

2121
01:25:55,370 --> 01:25:53,820
have a Thrust coming out of the bottom

2122
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:55,380
and I think even Rick Doherty said that

2123
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:57,600
that was one of our E.T craft that we

2124
01:26:01,970 --> 01:25:59,280
had reverse engineered and what's

2125
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:01,980
interesting about that case is that not

2126
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:03,840
only did they suffer from radiation you

2127
01:26:07,790 --> 01:26:05,040
know poisoning you know they had

2128
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:07,800
terrible Burns but there was about uh 20

2129
01:26:13,129 --> 01:26:11,520
to 23 double rotor craft uh helicopters

2130
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:13,139
that were flying with that craft in

2131
01:26:19,610 --> 01:26:16,080
Texas so that was a yeah that was a big

2132
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:19,620
part and for me Corey yeah Corey you you

2133
01:26:24,530 --> 01:26:21,840
be involved in in operations you know

2134
01:26:27,229 --> 01:26:24,540
what it takes to launch 23 aircraft if

2135
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:27,239
you have 23 flyable aircraft and 23

2136
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:30,239
Crews ready to board and take off at

2137
01:26:34,610 --> 01:26:33,120
relatively the same time uh well when

2138
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:34,620
I've seen that happen it bases like

2139
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:36,960
Little Rock you're talking that's week's

2140
01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:38,639
worth of coordination and maintenance to

2141
01:26:43,610 --> 01:26:40,860
make that kind of an effort happen so I

2142
01:26:46,250 --> 01:26:43,620
I hear that but and you know what Rick

2143
01:26:49,129 --> 01:26:46,260
Doherty is a is a friend of mine uh I

2144
01:26:51,050 --> 01:26:49,139
like and respect him a lot uh and we may

2145
01:26:53,330 --> 01:26:51,060
we may disagree on some things and also

2146
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:53,340
I would have to pick his brain on that

2147
01:26:56,930 --> 01:26:55,920
specific case which I I actually talked

2148
01:26:59,390 --> 01:26:56,940
to him

2149
01:27:00,649 --> 01:26:59,400
three weeks ago and we just used like so

2150
01:27:02,689 --> 01:27:00,659
what do you do for a living and he's

2151
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:02,699
kind of like he was like interviewing me

2152
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:07,199
so anyways anyway uh he cut his mustache

2153
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:08,639
I saw you guys have a hard time for

2154
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:10,320
cutting his mustache by the way I love I

2155
01:27:14,450 --> 01:27:12,000
love it man I love some Rick Doty but

2156
01:27:16,250 --> 01:27:14,460
you know what we got to give uh get Tom

2157
01:27:17,629 --> 01:27:16,260
in there and then we'll go with uh Gabby

2158
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:17,639
goodbyes

2159
01:27:22,250 --> 01:27:20,159
yeah I guess I just would offer like a

2160
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:22,260
domestic example of what you were

2161
01:27:25,070 --> 01:27:23,520
talking about like how we take some of

2162
01:27:26,570 --> 01:27:25,080
these Technologies for granted that we

2163
01:27:29,629 --> 01:27:26,580
might have had them

2164
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:29,639
um we know that new um what the B what

2165
01:27:34,610 --> 01:27:32,639
was it b-51 uh the new this the spirit

2166
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:34,620
bomber that just came out right which is

2167
01:27:40,250 --> 01:27:37,440
an iteration of some might say the

2168
01:27:42,350 --> 01:27:40,260
Horton's flying wing but also yeah so

2169
01:27:46,189 --> 01:27:42,360
the Northwest was also developing it in

2170
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:46,199
1947 and like aerodynamically that craft

2171
01:27:50,810 --> 01:27:49,199
was was ahead of its time you know the

2172
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:50,820
reason they weren't able to implement it

2173
01:27:55,790 --> 01:27:54,239
both Germany and and also over here in

2174
01:27:58,669 --> 01:27:55,800
the late 40s was because they weren't

2175
01:28:00,770 --> 01:27:58,679
able to keep it level until like we were

2176
01:28:02,870 --> 01:28:00,780
able to like install computer from what

2177
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:02,880
I understand like an algorithm now keep

2178
01:28:08,209 --> 01:28:06,239
it level as it would travel so we yeah

2179
01:28:10,490 --> 01:28:08,219
so we we are

2180
01:28:12,830 --> 01:28:10,500
most of the time we're ahead of the our

2181
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:12,840
time we're waiting to implement that

2182
01:28:16,490 --> 01:28:14,639
technology somehow in a way that makes

2183
01:28:18,350 --> 01:28:16,500
it feasible so I just thought it was a

2184
01:28:20,209 --> 01:28:18,360
really cool contrast that like you know

2185
01:28:22,129 --> 01:28:20,219
domestically that that's an issue as

2186
01:28:24,169 --> 01:28:22,139
well but like God like what if we had

2187
01:28:27,050 --> 01:28:24,179
something that wasn't from here we

2188
01:28:28,910 --> 01:28:27,060
understood the benefits and how like why

2189
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:28,920
it works the way it does but we just

2190
01:28:34,669 --> 01:28:32,000
can't implement it like technology right

2191
01:28:36,050 --> 01:28:34,679
everything is fascinating you know what

2192
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:36,060
I'm going to do with this is I'm going

2193
01:28:41,390 --> 01:28:39,360
to have I'll have an offline I'll have a

2194
01:28:43,610 --> 01:28:41,400
three-way conversation myself Corey and

2195
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:43,620
Tom so we talk about Aviation

2196
01:28:47,930 --> 01:28:46,080
aerodynamics and I can sort of explain

2197
01:28:50,510 --> 01:28:47,940
to you how that works and then you'll

2198
01:28:53,209 --> 01:28:50,520
understand why the Flying Wing is really

2199
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:53,219
it's an aircraft it's an airplane it

2200
01:28:58,030 --> 01:28:55,440
works off of Bernoulli's Theorem in

2201
01:29:01,070 --> 01:28:58,040
order to fly something that doesn't have

2202
01:29:03,290 --> 01:29:01,080
ailerons and in you know and an elevator

2203
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:03,300
then that's when you start getting into

2204
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:04,800
something that doesn't follow

2205
01:29:10,250 --> 01:29:07,679
Bernoulli's Theorem of uh as velocity

2206
01:29:13,310 --> 01:29:10,260
increases pressure decreases that's how

2207
01:29:15,770 --> 01:29:13,320
flight occurs so we'll you and I we can

2208
01:29:18,350 --> 01:29:15,780
have a separate conversation and I'll

2209
01:29:20,110 --> 01:29:18,360
kind of tell you how amazing some of

2210
01:29:23,570 --> 01:29:20,120
these crafts are that people are seeing

2211
01:29:26,750 --> 01:29:23,580
and why I think that we haven't cracked

2212
01:29:29,930 --> 01:29:26,760
that code yet on something that can fly

2213
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:29,940
in ignorance of those uh those in

2214
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:32,400
ignorance of Bernoulli's Theorem and and

2215
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:35,520
uh Newton's first three laws of motion

2216
01:29:39,229 --> 01:29:38,159
Debs let's go with uh cabbie goodbyes my

2217
01:29:41,629 --> 01:29:39,239
friends

2218
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:41,639
yeah I just wanted to say

2219
01:29:46,610 --> 01:29:44,400
um Corey thank you so much for coming to

2220
01:29:49,070 --> 01:29:46,620
talk to us and being one of my

2221
01:29:52,850 --> 01:29:49,080
conference BFFs

2222
01:29:55,550 --> 01:29:52,860
um I I think one thing I wanted to touch

2223
01:29:58,250 --> 01:29:55,560
on because you know we're we all have

2224
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:58,260
like you know endearment towards you is

2225
01:30:02,030 --> 01:30:00,000
that we all have different nicknames for

2226
01:30:04,910 --> 01:30:02,040
you and I wish we had time to go through

2227
01:30:07,390 --> 01:30:04,920
them my nickname for you is jakeel

2228
01:30:10,010 --> 01:30:07,400
because I mix your names together

2229
01:30:11,930 --> 01:30:10,020
I just I wanted to give you a moment to

2230
01:30:14,270 --> 01:30:11,940
let you know that like you know I just

2231
01:30:16,610 --> 01:30:14,280
put your name together jaquille is your

2232
01:30:17,330 --> 01:30:16,620
name and my you know your nickname in my

2233
01:30:20,030 --> 01:30:17,340
head

2234
01:30:21,770 --> 01:30:20,040
um so we really just you know you bring

2235
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:21,780
that out of us we all want to be your

2236
01:30:28,669 --> 01:30:25,440
buddy uh we all want to chat with you

2237
01:30:32,209 --> 01:30:28,679
um you're a soft place to land so to

2238
01:30:34,850 --> 01:30:32,219
speak on tough topics so thank you and

2239
01:30:36,890 --> 01:30:34,860
look at that yeah and all and also just

2240
01:30:38,750 --> 01:30:36,900
so you know someone in chat I think it

2241
01:30:40,490 --> 01:30:38,760
was Nicole Nelson came up with a good

2242
01:30:43,010 --> 01:30:40,500
podcast name for you I think it was like

2243
01:30:45,530 --> 01:30:43,020
current Curiosities and I was like yeah

2244
01:30:47,050 --> 01:30:45,540
curiosity is with Corey would be a good

2245
01:30:49,970 --> 01:30:47,060
podcast name

2246
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:49,980
that would be that would be uh and I'm

2247
01:30:54,970 --> 01:30:52,080
unemployed right now so you know maybe I

2248
01:30:58,370 --> 01:30:54,980
should get on that sooner do it

2249
01:31:02,689 --> 01:30:58,380
thank you thank you Deb and you are my

2250
01:31:05,209 --> 01:31:02,699
my conference uh BFF yay I win sorry Tom

2251
01:31:07,850 --> 01:31:05,219
sorry Leah

2252
01:31:09,890 --> 01:31:07,860
we can share it so I'm delighted because

2253
01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:09,900
I'm gonna get to share one of my

2254
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:10,800
favorite

2255
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:13,440
um stories in all of my exposure to

2256
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:15,120
ufology which is when I was at the

2257
01:31:20,149 --> 01:31:17,520
conference in October and you recognized

2258
01:31:24,850 --> 01:31:20,159
me I didn't recognize you

2259
01:31:27,890 --> 01:31:24,860
um and you said wow so you're not Intel

2260
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:27,900
I you're like everybody thinks you're

2261
01:31:33,169 --> 01:31:29,840
Intel and I was like nope just

2262
01:31:33,950 --> 01:31:33,179
unemployed doing the UFO thing

2263
01:31:36,169 --> 01:31:33,960
um

2264
01:31:37,970 --> 01:31:36,179
and you I I just want to say like that

2265
01:31:39,950 --> 01:31:37,980
was my first time kind of meeting anyone

2266
01:31:42,110 --> 01:31:39,960
into these subjects anyone into these

2267
01:31:43,729 --> 01:31:42,120
interests and the whole reason I went

2268
01:31:45,290 --> 01:31:43,739
the whole weekend for the December event

2269
01:31:47,330 --> 01:31:45,300
was because I had such a great time with

2270
01:31:49,970 --> 01:31:47,340
you guys that one evening in October

2271
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:49,980
that I wanted basically to be around you

2272
01:31:53,930 --> 01:31:52,560
and around everybody else Deb I got to

2273
01:31:56,030 --> 01:31:53,940
meet DJ

2274
01:31:58,850 --> 01:31:56,040
um at the December event so

2275
01:32:00,410 --> 01:31:58,860
um we I totally agree with Deb when she

2276
01:32:02,270 --> 01:32:00,420
said giving us a soft Landing in this

2277
01:32:04,850 --> 01:32:02,280
subject like I just continue to respect

2278
01:32:07,010 --> 01:32:04,860
and admire so much of the work and the

2279
01:32:08,290 --> 01:32:07,020
uh your contributions to the discourse

2280
01:32:10,970 --> 01:32:08,300
on Twitter

2281
01:32:14,629 --> 01:32:10,980
but can you put your hands together for

2282
01:32:18,110 --> 01:32:14,639
Anjali our USA at home oh

2283
01:32:20,530 --> 01:32:18,120
hey sorry there's another friend of mine

2284
01:32:22,689 --> 01:32:20,540
Anjali hey what's going on

2285
01:32:25,250 --> 01:32:22,699
hey

2286
01:32:27,050 --> 01:32:25,260
I thought this was about Corey hi

2287
01:32:29,149 --> 01:32:27,060
everyone it is all right we're gonna get

2288
01:32:30,830 --> 01:32:29,159
you right up hey yo you bet we're back

2289
01:32:34,189 --> 01:32:30,840
to Corey we just I want to see your new

2290
01:32:36,770 --> 01:32:34,199
hairdo is that a crime come on no it's

2291
01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:36,780
not but you're probably gonna see more

2292
01:32:41,229 --> 01:32:39,840
so don't get attached to anything

2293
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:41,239
um

2294
01:32:45,709 --> 01:32:44,159
he was like on which one you like I'm

2295
01:32:48,770 --> 01:32:45,719
going through a series of them right now

2296
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:48,780
trying to figure out okay with this rag

2297
01:32:55,610 --> 01:32:53,360
that's on my head so I'll I'll

2298
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:55,620
gladly take any of the clippings she has

2299
01:33:01,669 --> 01:32:57,840
left over I'm sorry Corey go ahead no I

2300
01:33:05,390 --> 01:33:03,050
it looks fantastic I put out a tweet

2301
01:33:10,729 --> 01:33:07,610
s gray hair and I'm a proponent of her

2302
01:33:14,169 --> 01:33:10,739
not like dyeing it so I I think it looks

2303
01:33:19,729 --> 01:33:17,270
uh hi hello thank you so much for

2304
01:33:22,610 --> 01:33:19,739
inviting me and yeah

2305
01:33:24,890 --> 01:33:22,620
happy birthday Corey

2306
01:33:26,990 --> 01:33:24,900
no this is a surprise this was a

2307
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:27,000
surprise okay so Corey this was a

2308
01:33:31,370 --> 01:33:29,520
surprise party for you not necessarily a

2309
01:33:32,750 --> 01:33:31,380
birthday party unless you're having a

2310
01:33:35,930 --> 01:33:32,760
birthday then we will call it a birthday

2311
01:33:38,090 --> 01:33:35,940
party I'm very confused let's call it's

2312
01:33:41,530 --> 01:33:38,100
my birthday is September 16th but this

2313
01:33:44,090 --> 01:33:41,540
is uh let's just call it like a

2314
01:33:45,709 --> 01:33:44,100
celebration day this is phenomenal I get

2315
01:33:48,709 --> 01:33:45,719
to be on cab with some of my favorite

2316
01:33:50,570 --> 01:33:48,719
people I get a surprise with Tom with

2317
01:33:52,669 --> 01:33:50,580
Anjali

2318
01:33:55,010 --> 01:33:52,679
um so this is really phenomenal and all

2319
01:33:59,149 --> 01:33:55,020
of you know my goal was to like always

2320
01:34:01,550 --> 01:33:59,159
be anonymous so it I'm still amazed that

2321
01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:01,560
uh I'm doing a podcast and people you

2322
01:34:07,129 --> 01:34:03,840
know know you know who I am

2323
01:34:08,930 --> 01:34:07,139
um yeah I'm really I'm really sorry that

2324
01:34:11,090 --> 01:34:08,940
Anjali joined when the show was

2325
01:34:15,169 --> 01:34:11,100
basically over so we'll have to invite

2326
01:34:18,110 --> 01:34:15,179
her back no no worries I really just

2327
01:34:20,830 --> 01:34:18,120
wanted to stop in and and just have a

2328
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:20,840
brief moment to talk about how amazing

2329
01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:24,719
our brother Corey really is and show

2330
01:34:32,750 --> 01:34:29,520
gratitude for him being willing to to

2331
01:34:35,270 --> 01:34:32,760
risk you know his his personal and

2332
01:34:39,470 --> 01:34:35,280
professional life

2333
01:34:43,310 --> 01:34:39,480
um as as most people think of it to to

2334
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:43,320
be here with us and to tell his story

2335
01:34:49,330 --> 01:34:46,560
and to seek out other people's stories

2336
01:34:52,910 --> 01:34:49,340
and support them and to bring together

2337
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:52,920
Academia and Science and experiencers

2338
01:35:04,490 --> 01:34:55,199
and

2339
01:35:07,070 --> 01:35:04,500
you know religious texts I mean he's

2340
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:07,080
bringing it all in from every direction

2341
01:35:12,290 --> 01:35:08,960
and um

2342
01:35:14,209 --> 01:35:12,300
wow you know it's just been such such a

2343
01:35:15,649 --> 01:35:14,219
pleasure watching people so

2344
01:35:17,689 --> 01:35:15,659
thanks Andre

2345
01:35:20,510 --> 01:35:17,699
I got a short story about Anjali go

2346
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:20,520
ahead brother so I uh so I have been

2347
01:35:25,129 --> 01:35:22,080
following Anjali just like the rest of

2348
01:35:26,810 --> 01:35:25,139
the UFO world and uh you know I try to

2349
01:35:27,709 --> 01:35:26,820
withhold like judgment because I never

2350
01:35:29,629 --> 01:35:27,719
have

2351
01:35:32,510 --> 01:35:29,639
all of the information so I've always

2352
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:32,520
like don't pass judgments so uh so it

2353
01:35:36,350 --> 01:35:34,800
was a fan had followed her work and I'm

2354
01:35:38,330 --> 01:35:36,360
at the first conference I'm just

2355
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:38,340
standing outside and getting ready to go

2356
01:35:42,169 --> 01:35:40,800
in and just like it's almost like I

2357
01:35:44,510 --> 01:35:42,179
heard something over my right shoulder I

2358
01:35:45,770 --> 01:35:44,520
look over and it's like Anjali and I

2359
01:35:48,229 --> 01:35:45,780
just stop and I'm like you know hey

2360
01:35:49,790 --> 01:35:48,239
Anjali introduce myself we walked down

2361
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:49,800
the stairs okay there we take a picture

2362
01:35:54,590 --> 01:35:52,800
and we um uh we sat together for that

2363
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:54,600
first conference you know I met her I

2364
01:36:00,050 --> 01:35:57,840
met her partner and um so we decided to

2365
01:36:02,810 --> 01:36:00,060
do a zoom sometime after a few months

2366
01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:02,820
after that the David we decided to do

2367
01:36:06,830 --> 01:36:04,800
the zoom I went to her YouTube channel

2368
01:36:08,689 --> 01:36:06,840
and she had a video up there that she

2369
01:36:11,330 --> 01:36:08,699
did a couple of days after the

2370
01:36:13,970 --> 01:36:11,340
conference and what blew me away is that

2371
01:36:16,970 --> 01:36:13,980
she was going to I think Montauk Point

2372
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:16,980
in New York she unfortunately got into a

2373
01:36:22,669 --> 01:36:20,400
car accident and uh the two EMT or there

2374
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:22,679
was the EMT on site his name was Corey

2375
01:36:26,090 --> 01:36:24,480
and then she gets to the hospital and

2376
01:36:28,610 --> 01:36:26,100
there's a tech named Corey there's like

2377
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:28,620
another nurse or person the name Corey

2378
01:36:33,890 --> 01:36:31,440
the nurse name was Corey the lab Tech's

2379
01:36:37,250 --> 01:36:33,900
name was Corey and one of the Radiology

2380
01:36:39,290 --> 01:36:37,260
texts was Corey it was it was crazy I

2381
01:36:42,410 --> 01:36:39,300
was like I've got Corey's coming out of

2382
01:36:45,709 --> 01:36:42,420
my ears this weekend so Anjali was there

2383
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:45,719
a DJ in there anywhere UFO Twitter Crush

2384
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:49,040
I mean come on never mind are you

2385
01:36:55,970 --> 01:36:51,360
familiar with

2386
01:36:59,410 --> 01:36:55,980
um DJ funky Chef no okay well now you

2387
01:37:03,169 --> 01:36:59,420
now you have no excuse me

2388
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:03,179
funky Chef okay so he may or may not

2389
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:05,280
have come up that day the most important

2390
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:07,920
note of the day

2391
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:14,629
it's so amazing

2392
01:37:19,129 --> 01:37:16,850
I just wrote that down but uh but just

2393
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:19,139
to seal that off when I uh the day I was

2394
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:21,360
gonna have this one-on-one Anjali I went

2395
01:37:24,649 --> 01:37:23,280
and I saw this video and she's telling a

2396
01:37:26,689 --> 01:37:24,659
story about how she had all these

2397
01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:26,699
quarries and she's like I also met

2398
01:37:30,590 --> 01:37:28,080
another Corey you know at this

2399
01:37:32,689 --> 01:37:30,600
conference so uh that's one of the

2400
01:37:35,390 --> 01:37:32,699
synchronicities that I you know things

2401
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:35,400
that you just kind of can't explain

2402
01:37:41,810 --> 01:37:38,159
um and anjalise you know seems to be a

2403
01:37:47,090 --> 01:37:41,820
big part of it oh well thank you and I

2404
01:37:49,850 --> 01:37:47,100
mean obviously it was excuse me that

2405
01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:49,860
happens sometimes unfortunately uh we

2406
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:53,040
obviously were Were Meant to connect and

2407
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:56,400
um get to know each other in in this

2408
01:38:02,390 --> 01:37:59,040
spiritual Quest that we're all on here

2409
01:38:03,649 --> 01:38:02,400
so I'm just thankful that there are so

2410
01:38:06,290 --> 01:38:03,659
many people

2411
01:38:08,330 --> 01:38:06,300
thick but for all of you who are all

2412
01:38:12,050 --> 01:38:08,340
here trying to do the same thing in our

2413
01:38:14,270 --> 01:38:12,060
own way and uh to our own calling for

2414
01:38:17,770 --> 01:38:14,280
lack of a better way to really

2415
01:38:20,810 --> 01:38:17,780
our own antenna I guess who knows

2416
01:38:22,970 --> 01:38:20,820
the antenna see DJ we can go so many

2417
01:38:26,209 --> 01:38:22,980
places uh with these with with these

2418
01:38:27,890 --> 01:38:26,219
conversations I

2419
01:38:31,070 --> 01:38:27,900
I you know I don't want to get into how

2420
01:38:32,810 --> 01:38:31,080
my name in college I played one year of

2421
01:38:35,330 --> 01:38:32,820
college football and my nickname was

2422
01:38:37,070 --> 01:38:35,340
kazoo because I was so small I had to

2423
01:38:38,810 --> 01:38:37,080
pull the chin straps up real tight and

2424
01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:38,820
they look like I didn't have that train

2425
01:38:43,790 --> 01:38:40,320
or cut him so they look like two

2426
01:38:49,070 --> 01:38:43,800
antennas and it comes to hey kazoo yeah

2427
01:38:52,129 --> 01:38:50,990
and then I'm gonna have a goodbye and

2428
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:52,139
then we're gonna talk what we're gonna

2429
01:38:57,110 --> 01:38:54,480
do a part two with you but go ahead top

2430
01:39:00,129 --> 01:38:57,120
estimate of the situation

2431
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:00,139
until your intros are always so awesome

2432
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:04,080
so Corey uh you were both at you were at

2433
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:05,520
both of the events that I went to and

2434
01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:08,880
like that was my introduction to uh UFO

2435
01:39:12,530 --> 01:39:10,320
Twitter so to speak and like the

2436
01:39:15,110 --> 01:39:12,540
community as a as a whole

2437
01:39:17,689 --> 01:39:15,120
um people that know me know I'm very shy

2438
01:39:19,490 --> 01:39:17,699
I will have anxiety I I think the first

2439
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:19,500
one it took me an hour to actually even

2440
01:39:23,330 --> 01:39:21,840
interact with anybody and I like to lurk

2441
01:39:25,970 --> 01:39:23,340
in the shadows

2442
01:39:28,669 --> 01:39:25,980
um you were so welcoming you were so fun

2443
01:39:31,070 --> 01:39:28,679
you had to like just like have a drink

2444
01:39:33,770 --> 01:39:31,080
um and then like being part of the

2445
01:39:35,930 --> 01:39:33,780
conversation with you and I I think uh

2446
01:39:38,510 --> 01:39:35,940
Jay was over there a couple other people

2447
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:38,520
were there it just felt so like oh my

2448
01:39:43,370 --> 01:39:40,080
God there's people out here really

2449
01:39:45,110 --> 01:39:43,380
interested in this and you know it's uh

2450
01:39:47,450 --> 01:39:45,120
it speaks volumes because like I was

2451
01:39:49,610 --> 01:39:47,460
just at a New Year's Gathering you know

2452
01:39:51,050 --> 01:39:49,620
this year and you mentioned UFOs people

2453
01:39:52,729 --> 01:39:51,060
are like interested for like the first

2454
01:39:55,070 --> 01:39:52,739
two sentences and then they're like oh

2455
01:39:56,930 --> 01:39:55,080
okay and they walk away

2456
01:40:00,110 --> 01:39:56,940
um whereas with you guys it was

2457
01:40:03,770 --> 01:40:00,120
absolutely not that and um honestly like

2458
01:40:05,930 --> 01:40:03,780
it's you're you're a really cool dude

2459
01:40:09,070 --> 01:40:05,940
um your nickname is probably Air Force

2460
01:40:13,850 --> 01:40:12,169
but you you've also got like a crazy

2461
01:40:15,950 --> 01:40:13,860
heart too you know I mean like it just

2462
01:40:17,570 --> 01:40:15,960
resonates from you so

2463
01:40:19,070 --> 01:40:17,580
um I think it's great that like you're

2464
01:40:20,450 --> 01:40:19,080
in the community I think it's great that

2465
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:20,460
like part of my introduction to the

2466
01:40:24,530 --> 01:40:22,800
community was with you there

2467
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:24,540
um I can't wait for the next one uh

2468
01:40:27,490 --> 01:40:26,159
we're gonna get drunk we're gonna have

2469
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:27,500
fun

2470
01:40:33,110 --> 01:40:30,239
and I'm not gonna promote anything but I

2471
01:40:37,310 --> 01:40:33,120
do have a copy for you no one's seen

2472
01:40:39,470 --> 01:40:37,320
this yet oh um so when you uh

2473
01:40:41,870 --> 01:40:39,480
yeah so when in you know so when we do

2474
01:40:43,550 --> 01:40:41,880
meet up at the next one it's gonna be a

2475
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:43,560
fun time man it's really fun out again

2476
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:46,080
I'm really glad Tom man thank you for

2477
01:40:49,790 --> 01:40:47,760
those kind of words my friend and

2478
01:40:51,470 --> 01:40:49,800
likewise it was a pleasure to get to

2479
01:40:54,890 --> 01:40:51,480
wrap it up with you man and I didn't

2480
01:40:56,169 --> 01:40:54,900
pick up on any of the anxiety so oh it's

2481
01:41:01,250 --> 01:40:56,179
the alcohol

2482
01:41:02,990 --> 01:41:01,260
yeah no Cory is incredibly memorable uh

2483
01:41:04,910 --> 01:41:03,000
the thing that people remember about me

2484
01:41:06,410 --> 01:41:04,920
most of the conference is that I ordered

2485
01:41:09,290 --> 01:41:06,420
the barbecue chicken and it looked

2486
01:41:11,629 --> 01:41:09,300
excessively dry uh that that's people's

2487
01:41:14,330 --> 01:41:11,639
resounding memory of me

2488
01:41:15,890 --> 01:41:14,340
um I'm just kidding oh man I could have

2489
01:41:18,350 --> 01:41:15,900
gave you some of my brisket it was it

2490
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:20,030
or at least the fat but at least the

2491
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:22,800
grizzle yeah but uh I want to save for

2492
01:41:27,770 --> 01:41:24,960
my part before I address Corey I want to

2493
01:41:30,169 --> 01:41:27,780
say it's an honor to be part of this

2494
01:41:32,270 --> 01:41:30,179
community and I mean sort of like all

2495
01:41:34,490 --> 01:41:32,280
these people that uh take part in the

2496
01:41:36,890 --> 01:41:34,500
show come on the show people like Tom

2497
01:41:39,109 --> 01:41:36,900
people like angelio double G how long

2498
01:41:40,729 --> 01:41:39,119
will I live who will I be the G that I

2499
01:41:44,510 --> 01:41:40,739
was right

2500
01:41:47,090 --> 01:41:44,520
um uh and obviously Leia and Deb because

2501
01:41:49,129 --> 01:41:47,100
the diversity of the group is what makes

2502
01:41:50,990 --> 01:41:49,139
it so beautiful you know that people

2503
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:51,000
from all these different walks of life

2504
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:53,040
who have different takes come together

2505
01:41:56,930 --> 01:41:55,679
for a common cause this is really what

2506
01:41:59,930 --> 01:41:56,940
it's all about this is what you were

2507
01:42:02,930 --> 01:41:59,940
talking about earlier to you Corey

2508
01:42:05,330 --> 01:42:02,940
um like I was saying we met I introduced

2509
01:42:07,550 --> 01:42:05,340
myself to you just before the event I

2510
01:42:10,310 --> 01:42:07,560
think as Debs told me she met you told

2511
01:42:11,450 --> 01:42:10,320
me you were going to be there and uh I

2512
01:42:13,070 --> 01:42:11,460
don't know there was something that

2513
01:42:15,530 --> 01:42:13,080
intrigued me and I said well I think we

2514
01:42:17,090 --> 01:42:15,540
need to get get you on cab and then so

2515
01:42:20,030 --> 01:42:17,100
we said okay yeah we'll go ahead and

2516
01:42:21,770 --> 01:42:20,040
meet at the at the event and uh yeah you

2517
01:42:24,530 --> 01:42:21,780
are an amazing dude with a lot of

2518
01:42:27,530 --> 01:42:24,540
positivity you're very very inspiring so

2519
01:42:29,629 --> 01:42:27,540
I I want to thank um I want to thank all

2520
01:42:32,209 --> 01:42:29,639
of you for coming on obviously we got

2521
01:42:34,129 --> 01:42:32,219
two cabbies up there but Tom for uh

2522
01:42:37,970 --> 01:42:34,139
coming in and guest co-hosting and

2523
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:37,980
Anjali thank you Namaste yeah

2524
01:42:42,410 --> 01:42:40,080
and I look forward to talking you you

2525
01:42:44,510 --> 01:42:42,420
are you myself and Corey will get

2526
01:42:46,370 --> 01:42:44,520
together talk some Aviation stuff and

2527
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:46,380
Corey it's an honor to be your friend

2528
01:42:50,990 --> 01:42:48,480
and I look forward to a part two where

2529
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:51,000
we can dive into some more business yeah

2530
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:53,760
yeah dive deep man the honor is all mine

2531
01:42:58,910 --> 01:42:56,400
honestly I'm really thankful uh to be a

2532
01:43:01,669 --> 01:42:58,920
part of this it actually gives uh some

2533
01:43:03,410 --> 01:43:01,679
meaning to the the life of research you

2534
01:43:06,890 --> 01:43:03,420
know that the research that I put into

2535
01:43:08,030 --> 01:43:06,900
uh so I'm glad uh to be a part of it and

2536
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:08,040
you guys are really some of the best

2537
01:43:11,870 --> 01:43:10,080
people I've ever met I love the

2538
01:43:14,149 --> 01:43:11,880
camaraderie

2539
01:43:17,090 --> 01:43:14,159
um I love the the synchronicities all of

2540
01:43:19,250 --> 01:43:17,100
us have and uh and you're right uh Tom

2541
01:43:21,189 --> 01:43:19,260
it's hard to find two people uh in any

2542
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:21,199
given room who know anything about UFOs

2543
01:43:27,530 --> 01:43:24,239
so a good place to be plugged in I look

2544
01:43:31,189 --> 01:43:27,540
forward to you know whatever comes next

2545
01:43:34,910 --> 01:43:31,199
yeah and uh I want to say uh for um

2546
01:43:37,609 --> 01:43:34,920
for uh Debs for uh my homie Leia prime

2547
01:43:39,229 --> 01:43:37,619
time for Tom for Angela this is DJ

2548
01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:39,239
saying peace out

2549
01:43:44,270 --> 01:43:42,719
one love we'll see you down the road and

2550
01:43:47,810 --> 01:43:44,280
as always we're wondering what's up

2551
01:43:51,290 --> 01:43:49,850
I thought that was it was that yeah

2552
01:43:53,390 --> 01:43:51,300
maybe that wasn't it I don't know if I

2553
01:43:55,480 --> 01:43:53,400
know how to do Nathan's thing oh it's

2554
01:44:05,169 --> 01:43:55,490
this thing right here there it goes

2555
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:05,179
[Music]

2556
01:44:08,330 --> 01:44:06,530
thank you